UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Vassenor]

Some good news:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-bailouts

Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.

[Greed and Death]

Some good news:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-bailouts

Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.

If you can't get the majority of your students to turn out and vote Tory what good is the university ?

[Hirota]

Some good news:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-bailouts

Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.

Ah, of course Priyamvada Gopal and Cambridge University is "toeing the party line" by protecting her free speech to say baity crap for the benefit of the Tory party. Free speech is not a binary which automatically favours "the left" or "the right"

It's depressing that the very simple concept of free speech is absurdly difficult to grasp for some people.

[CoraSpia]

Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.

Ah, of course Priyamvada Gopal and Cambridge University is "toeing the party line" by protecting her free speech to say baity crap for the benefit of the Tory party. Free speech is not a binary which automatically favours "the left" or "the right"

It's depressing that the very simple concept of free speech is absurdly difficult to grasp for some people.

Besides, if you only favour 'free speech' for those you agree with, you don't really believe in it.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

Pretty much. We're going full steam ahead for a second spike anyway - so to use an equally cliched term, we will be back to normal by Christmas - the new normal.

[The New California Republic]

Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.

[Greed and Death]

Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.

Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.

Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

Depends on how long immunity lasts.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.

Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499

[Greed and Death]

Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.

The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.

[Vassenor]

Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.

The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.

So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?

[Agarntrop]

I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499

Did not know Star Wars V got upgraded to PG

Really strange how we used to be so concerned about language that the use of fuck would always mean that a film would get a 15 yet someone having their arm graphically chopped off was rated a U (acceptable for all ages).

[Greed and Death]

The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.

So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?

Antibodies are a small part of Immunological memory. Further a drop off of Antibodies is fairly common after the infection has cleared, life long antibody production is generally limited to infections that hide out in your nervous system ( herpes and chickenpox are examples). Antibodies are extremely effective at neutralizing viruses, but because they are only protein and not cells they break down rather quickly.

The memory B Cells and the Memory T Cells are far more vital to long term immunity response. They are also harder to detect because you can't easily tell the difference between B and T cells that are and aren't responsive to a particular infection.

Bcells tend to last for years and produce antibodies when encountering an antigen they have encountered before.

Memory T Cells work in similar yet different ways that I do not fully understand because I do not have time to dig that far into biochemistry. Though they are easier to test for than B-cells and Science has found them for Covid-19. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07- ... unity.html

[Gormwood]

I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499

Did not know Star Wars V got upgraded to PG

Really strange how we used to be so concerned about language that the use of fuck would always mean that a film would get a 15 yet someone having their arm graphically chopped off was rated a U (acceptable for all ages).

Having a limb cleanly lopped off without a spray helps.

[Salandriagado]

The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.

So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?

1. There's no clear evidence that antibodies in the majority of people decline to a problematic level.
2. Lack of antibodies is not lack of immunity. Chickenpox antibodies last a year at most, but chickenpox immunity is generally life-long.

[Fartsniffage]

Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

[Gormwood]

Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

Papa Nurgle am sad.

[Andsed]

Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

I do kinda disagree with limiting the amount of people that you can let into your home, but aside from that the restrictions seem sensible enough.

[Ostroeuropa]

Anybody notice how the defences of the majority of the British establishment being complimentary and fawning over Hitler and Nazism before he actually invaded poland, boil down to;

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.

Says a lot about our ruling class frankly.

"Wow, promising to genocide the jews and start a new world war and conquer the world, what a genius. I wish I was as clever as Hitler when it came to lying to the public about what i'm going to do rather than rob them blind. Wait, HE'S BEING HONEST?! WHAT!? This is *unprecedented*!".

Don't take my word for it. Point out to people how Lloyd George, Churchhill, practically anyone said Hitler was amazing and they loved him and he was open about wanting total war and genocide since the 20s. They'll kneejerk respond "Well yeah, but they didn't think he'd actually do it" to dismiss that observation without considering what it says about our political culture.

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.

[Hirota]

Oh good, this will go well I'm sure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh good, this will go well I'm sure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

He's on his side specifically because this prevents asphyxiation from this technique, while with Floyd the pressure was on his trachea due to him being on his front. Progressive media hysteria influencing institutions.

[Celritannia]

Anybody notice how the defences of the majority of the British establishment being complimentary and fawning over Hitler and Nazism before he actually invaded poland, boil down to;

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.

Says a lot about our ruling class frankly.

"Wow, promising to genocide the jews and start a new world war and conquer the world, what a genius. I wish I was as clever as Hitler when it came to lying to the public about what i'm going to do rather than rob them blind. Wait, HE'S BEING HONEST?! WHAT!? This is *unprecedented*!".

Don't take my word for it. Point out to people how Lloyd George, Churchhill, practically anyone said Hitler was amazing and they loved him and he was open about wanting total war and genocide since the 20s. They'll kneejerk respond "Well yeah, but they didn't think he'd actually do it" to dismiss that observation without considering what it says about our political culture.

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.

Let's just remember the Third Reich did not start using genocide until the middle of WW2, and that the Nazi Propaganda was pretty good in the early days of showing what it has to offer to the world.
Politicians at the time admired the Nazi Party for is staunch anti-communist rhetoric more than anything.

Although there were several time Chamberlin asked Hitler to stop the Germans from taking land of other countries, the British had enough when the appeasement option left them vulnerable after the Third Reich's invasion of Europe.

TL;DR, this is a bad example of history.

[Hirota]

Interesting piece: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Basically, the argument is that because the ''out of hospital’ deaths from covid-19 is determined from if you've ever tested positive Covid-19 and then gone on to die (which I raised issues with before because Covid-19 may have had nothing to do with why you died), the current daily deaths are increasingly inaccurate.

For example, someone might have been tested for Covid-19 three months ago, recovered, and then gone on to die from something else.

And this will only become more inaccurate over time as more people are tested and more tests are carried out and more people recover but then go on to die in the months (or heck, years?!) since.

I don't know if this is a flaw in methodology unique to the UK or not in how we derive the stats.