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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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No *vote amended by GRU*
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Postby Philjia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:05 am

Faced with mounting pressure regarding their handling of the Coronavirus pandemic, the government has resorted to the traditional escape route of an administration that finds itself in a difficult position.

There's going to be an inquiry.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:13 am

Philjia wrote:Faced with mounting pressure regarding their handling of the Coronavirus pandemic, the government has resorted to the traditional escape route of an administration that finds itself in a difficult position.

There's going to be an inquiry.


Good, there needs to be.

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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:23 am

UK has dropped from 33rd to 35th in the press freedom index
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:31 am

Agarntrop wrote:UK has dropped from 33rd to 35th in the press freedom index

I'm surprised it's taken this long to drop in the ranks.

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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:34 am

Celritannia wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:UK has dropped from 33rd to 35th in the press freedom index

I'm surprised it's taken this long to drop in the ranks.

Its mostly due to the Lyra McKee murder
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Celritannia wrote:I'm surprised it's taken this long to drop in the ranks.

Its mostly due to the Lyra McKee murder

Getting shot by a rioters during a gun battle with Republicans and police is hardly a decrease in press freedom.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:20 am

Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:12 pm

Welsh parliament to debate motion on independence for first time in its history

...Wow. Boris might actually be responsible for the breakup of the UK after all.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:Welsh parliament to debate motion on independence for first time in its history

...Wow. Boris might actually be responsible for the breakup of the UK after all.

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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:35 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Welsh parliament to debate motion on independence for first time in its history

...Wow. Boris might actually be responsible for the breakup of the UK after all.

Politicians want more power, more at 10


I disagree.
This is more showing just how out of touch and little control Boris actually has.
This is a statement telling Westminster they have failed the UK.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:Politicians want more power, more at 10


I disagree.
This is more showing just how out of touch and little control Boris actually has.
This is a statement telling Westminster they have failed the UK.


He's spent the worst crisis since the second world war not talking to the devolved government. What did anyone expect?

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Postby Hirota » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:46 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:UK has dropped from 33rd to 35th in the press freedom index

I'm surprised it's taken this long to drop in the ranks.
Before its decline to 35th in the 2020 World Press Freedom Index, the UK had risen seven places in the 2019 Index, bringing it to 33rd after spending the previous two years ranked at 40th.

So not exactly a drop when looked at properly. Heck, the furthest back I could go only had us at 29th in 2013. So yeah - not a world leader in Press Freedoms, but not bad. We regularly appear to be in the same league as Spain and/or France.
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Agarntrop wrote:Its mostly due to the Lyra McKee murder

Getting shot by a rioters during a gun battle with Republicans and police is hardly a decrease in press freedom.
That is literally the first reason listed in the report.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:47 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.

I think the Tories are a bit butthurt about it as the whip has now been withdrawn, even though it was still one of their own that won.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:49 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.

I think the Tories are a bit butthurt about it as the whip has now been withdrawn, even though it was still one of their own that won.


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Postby Hirota » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:54 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.

I think the Tories are a bit butthurt about it as the whip has now been withdrawn, even though it was still one of their own that won.
He's one of the Brexit "Spartans" - if it wasn't for their obstinance May probably wouldn't have quit.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:19 pm

Hirota wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I think the Tories are a bit butthurt about it as the whip has now been withdrawn, even though it was still one of their own that won.
He's one of the Brexit "Spartans" - if it wasn't for their obstinance May probably wouldn't have quit.


Can you imagine if May had be in charge of Corona?

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Postby Philjia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:Welsh parliament to debate motion on independence for first time in its history

...Wow. Boris might actually be responsible for the breakup of the UK after all.

Support for Welsh independence is only up to 25%, but Labour's remaining seats in Wales could find themselves under threat if it keeps rising.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Hirota wrote:He's one of the Brexit "Spartans" - if it wasn't for their obstinance May probably wouldn't have quit.


Can you imagine if May had be in charge of Corona?


I think she would have been better.
Although, that's not saying much with who is currently PM.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Can you imagine if May had be in charge of Corona?


I think she would have been better.
Although, that's not saying much with who is currently PM.


I don't think she would have been. She was ditherer.

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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:42 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I think she would have been better.
Although, that's not saying much with who is currently PM.


I don't think she would have been. She was ditherer.


True, but it might also helped her to stall over Brexit.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:02 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.

Thank goodness. Withdrawing the whip from Julian Lewis shows just how petty this government is (and I say that while disliking basically all of his political positions).

Let's just hope he's at least more qualified than Grayling...

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Fartsniffage wrote:
Can you imagine if May had be in charge of Corona?


I think she would have been better.
Although, that's not saying much with who is currently PM.

I think, under May, we'd have seen fewer large contracts handed out to companies that could not deliver/could not deliver properly -- so that's one mark to her.

I'm not sure she'd have handled the crisis brilliantly, just that she'd have been more competent than the PM.

Though, pick pretty much any random person on the street and the same would probably also be true.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I think she would have been better.
Although, that's not saying much with who is currently PM.


I don't think she would have been. She was ditherer.


She is unimaginative but competent. She would have got on with things and done what was necessary, following scientific advice more than making political decisions.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:57 am

I see the report on the Priti Patel bullying claims is being sat on.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:30 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Thankfully Chris Grayling didn't get made chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee. A bullet dodged there.

Thank goodness. Withdrawing the whip from Julian Lewis shows just how petty this government is (and I say that while disliking basically all of his political positions).

Let's just hope he's at least more qualified than Grayling...
He was chair of the defence select committee last parliament, so there is some prior experience. He's a bit of a character though.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:15 am

Yvette Cooper casually eviscerating the Home Secretary and Permanent Secretary to the Home Office.

Between this and the report about her bullying becoming news again, it's not been a great week for Priti Patel.
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