UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It'd be funnier if they spelled it as PASSEPORT. <.>

[Vassenor]

The new blue passports are arriving from France.

(Image)

[Greed and Death]

Why is that?
I've heard about such a thing possibly making it less neutral, but it's not been neutral for a long time. It's always far too friendly to the government of the day.

Right. Instead it should be beholden to commercial interests.</s>

There is nothing inherently wrong with commercial interests. Why can't the BBC compete with those more yellow journalistic sites and channels ?

[The New California Republic]

The new blue passports are arriving from France.

(Image)

Most folk that have been yammering on about getting the blue passports back probably wouldn't notice.

[Gormwood]

Why is that?
I've heard about such a thing possibly making it less neutral, but it's not been neutral for a long time. It's always far too friendly to the government of the day.

Right. Instead it should be beholden to commercial interests.</s>

"Tories Greenlight Sale Of BBC To Murdoch"

[CoraSpia]

Why is that?
I've heard about such a thing possibly making it less neutral, but it's not been neutral for a long time. It's always far too friendly to the government of the day.

Right. Instead it should be beholden to commercial interests.</s>

What do you have against channel 4 and ITV? What do they do that's so much worse than the BBC, that can be explained by them running adverts?

[Vassenor]

Right. Instead it should be beholden to commercial interests.</s>

What do you have against channel 4 and ITV? What do they do that's so much worse than the BBC, that can be explained by them running adverts?

What does the BBC do that's so much worse that it should be forced to?

[CoraSpia]

What do you have against channel 4 and ITV? What do they do that's so much worse than the BBC, that can be explained by them running adverts?

What does the BBC do that's so much worse that it should be forced to?

Nothing. However I'm not arguing for the BBC to be 'forced' to do anything. I'm arguing for a system which forces people to fund the BBC when they may or may not use its tv services as a condition for accessing tv services of all other providers to be scrapped. The BBC can do what it likes: charge subscriptions, run adverts, operate in a much smaller form; I don't care which it chooses. However, I don't see what it does that is so excellent it should enjoy funding sources that other broadcasters do not have access to, or why funding it should be a condition to access other broadcasters.

[Ostroeuropa]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

[Celritannia]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

It's almost as if not having a full session in the HoC due to social distancing isn't allowing people to see Labour's true potential.

Plus, when the Government is the ones making the decisions during times of emergency, the Opposition of the UK is not exactly a top priority for people.

[Ostroeuropa]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

It's almost as if not having a full session in the HoC due to social distancing isn't allowing people to see Labour's true potential.

Dude, this is full blown denial by this point. The Tories have been ahead like this since the election, long before any pandemic.
What would it actually take for you to accept that Labour are unelectable because the country has come to a consensus on left wing identity politics, and that consensus is "No"?

Christ, just imagine if the Tories point blank refused to accept the NHS ever since the Attlee government and how that would fare for their chances.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Hmm... demanding for male chauvinists, male chauvinists but with a helping of disaster capitalism and treason on top or... fuck those choices. What to choose what to choose.

[Ostroeuropa]

The sheer force of Starmers popularity will convince the country to vote for things they have categorically rejected, only with less popular economic platform.

It'll work.

It's fine.

This is all fine.

Those two seats are crucial gains for our long-term plan, and at this rate we'll be in government by 2320.

[Vassenor]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

[CoraSpia]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

[Dumb Ideologies]

CON - 46
LAB - 36
LD - 6
SNP - 5
GRN - 3
BRX - 2

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12815 ... 20897?s=20


Opinium has;

CON - 49
LAB - 33


But let's go with the first.

Con Majority of 76, with 363 seats.

A loss of two seats.
(And the OP one has the Tories gaining around 25 seats).


It looks like moving to the centre on economics and having a much more popular leader in the midst of the Tory Clusterfuck of managing this crisis hasn't, you know, worked.

Almost like it's not the leader or the economics voters are rejecting, but some other thing about Labour.

Hmm.

My bet is that Labour will move toward the left after this fails but with a less toxic leader than Corbyn, lose again, and then try moving to the centre and having a woman in charge, lose again, then maybe a woman on the left, and round and round we'll go rather than, you know.

Getting rid of the woke brigade and their policies.

Welcome to perpetual Tory rule, because the only opposition won't admit their ideas aren't viable.

If the OP Poll is to be believed, then the Tories are actually making considerable gains while Labour is static and remains at the same level they were when they lost historic amounts of support. If the other poll is to be believed, both parties are making the same amount of gains.

Meaning that Labour is pushing away about as many people as they are attracting, and that's despite the Tory government being an absolute mess. I simply don't believe the Tories are managing to attract voters, I think those are purely "Fuck Labour" votes.

Of the last 15 polls before this one (Which is an outlier in terms of being *favorable to Labour*), 13 have the Tories above 50% of the vote, straddling between 50 and 55%. The other 2 show them ahead of Labour by double digits anyway.

This is despite polling showing almost everyone thinks the Tories have fucked up the epidemic, AND polling showing people think Starmer is "More competent" than Boris.

So what's the plan exactly? Just cruise into this iceberg we'll have had 4 years warning for? Try and sell the country on centrist economics despite polling showing the socialist economics of Corbyn was more popular?

Fuck. That is the plan isn't it.

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

A typically cutting and post-relevant critique, thanks for contributing.

[Fartsniffage]

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

They didn't do shit in 2017.

[Gormwood]

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

What happened to the Blairites scuttling the ship?

[Vassenor]

You can blame anything on people not deifying the white male, can't you?

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

The last election seemed to be pretty cleanly on how Corbs was painted in the media.

[Greed and Death]

What do you have against channel 4 and ITV? What do they do that's so much worse than the BBC, that can be explained by them running adverts?

What does the BBC do that's so much worse that it should be forced to?

Charging people who don't want to watch BBC a license fee I imagine.

[Greed and Death]

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

They didn't do shit in 2017.

Failed to take a side on Brexit didn't help either.

[Vassenor]

Think about it: If people hate "woke policy" then why were Labour's proposals rating highly among polling samples when given to them blind?

[Greed and Death]

Think about it: If people hate "woke policy" then why were Labour's proposals rating highly among polling samples when given to them blind?

Likely for the same reason that "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" polls well but the nuts and bolts of how to implement that policy polls poorly.

[Fartsniffage]

Think about it: If people hate "woke policy" then why were Labour's proposals rating highly among polling samples when given to them blind?

Likely for the same reason that "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" polls well but the nuts and bolts of how to implement that policy polls poorly.

Nah, that's not it. The Labour party was the only one to even attempt to properly cost their manifesto at the last election.

People were told not to like Corbyn by about 90% of the media in the UK. It worked.

[CoraSpia]

I'm sure you have another explanation for why labour has consistently performed shit over the last few years and failed to win an election for 15 of them.

They didn't do shit in 2017.

Okay, I'll grant you that. I'll change it.

Why has labour performed consistently poorly in elections for the past 15 years, when the other party wasn't sabotaging its own campaign?