UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Rojava Free State]

You've still not explain why premarital sex is bad. Even if it wasn't the norm at certain points in history, that doesn't make it bad

You've still not addressed my point

I'm using it as a point because clearly marriage is not necessary for beings to have a relationship. Clearly it is possible to have a totally healthy relationship without putting on a show for your family and dressing up...to say what exactly? That your relationship is somehow different than before?

[Rojava Free State]

I don't want to force people to accept my views. These are just merely the observations of someone who just happens to not like the concept of a government. If that not be to your liking - or to the majority of people - then so be it. I merely speak my mind because I can.

My question still stands. Why should the people accept you view of what is 'disgusting'?

Because it is right.

Lmao yeah, you're right and everyone else is wrong. Premarital sex is bad for the same reason Arthur told DW she couldn't touch his model plane. "Because because"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't want to force people to accept my views. These are just merely the observations of someone who just happens to not like the concept of a government. If that not be to your liking - or to the majority of people - then so be it. I merely speak my mind because I can.

My question still stands. Why should the people accept you view of what is 'disgusting'?

Because it is right.

And the Greco-Romans and Shinto-Buddhists are just staring at you going wtf are you Christians on about now. Actually, everybody who doesn't insist on the current date being 1000 BCE are now staring at you disapprovingly.

[Albennia]

Because I both hold humans to a higher standard than animals and acknowledge Unwin's findings? How is that sinister?

Because Unwin's findings were bogus. Benedict (1935) helpfully pointed out that he never assessed post-nuptial sexual restrictions, and that his definition of what constituted civilisation was complete nonsense, and that he somehow managed to come to the laughably incorrect conclusion that no North American or Mexican peoples had ancestor cults or temples.

1. Nearly every other review was positive.
2. Why do post-nuptial sexual restrictions need to be assessed in this case? Restrictions on premarital sexual behaviour are almost universally going to correlate with restrictions on postnuptial sexual behaviour.
3. The definition of civilisation is subjective. Unwin, however, was also looking at the decline of power.
4. One mistake doesn't mean an entire work is invalid and cannot be used. If it did, we would have very, very little acceptable research.

[Albennia]

My personal definition of premarital sex as in the sort I oppose does not, as I have stated previously, include relationships leading to marriage. For quite a long time people were married simply by saying so and then consummating their union even if, as time went on, clergy were usually in attendance for the former. It was only with the state's assertion of control over marriage that this really changed, at which point premarital sex in relationships leading to (formal) marriage became the norm.

So no, you don't have any evidence to support your outright lie.

How is it an outright lie?

[Rojava Free State]

Because it is right.

And the Greco-Romans and Shinto-Buddhists are just staring at you going wtf are you Christians on about now. Actually, everybody who doesn't insist on the current date being 1000 BCE are now staring at you disapprovingly.

As someone who has had premarital sex before like most human beings alive today, I can say that there's nothing inherently wrong with it unless your partner is dishonest about shit. We have birth control that works. There's no reason to be worried about premarital sex

[Gormwood]

Yeah, how is that Pulse Nightclub Memorial going?

Wasn't the perpetrator there a Muslim whose parents immigrated here as refugees?

How many of those were regular Grindr users? Or a regular at the club?

[Gormwood]

Because it is right.

And the Greco-Romans and Shinto-Buddhists are just staring at you going wtf are you Christians on about now. Actually, everybody who doesn't insist on the current date being 1000 BCE are now staring at you disapprovingly.

Constantine Did An Oopsie.

[Salandriagado]

So no, you don't have any evidence to support your outright lie.

How is it an outright lie?

Because it's not true, and you have, as you've just demonstrated, no legitimate reason to believe that it's true.

[Rojava Free State]

How is it an outright lie?

Because it's not true, and you have, as you've just demonstrated, no legitimate reason to believe that it's true.

I'm sure boris johnson would look at Albennia's viewpoint and be like bruv

[Fartsniffage]

It was an Islamic terror attack. What a shock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844

[Rojava Free State]

It was an Islamic terror attack. What a shock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844

The terrorist: Allah akbar! Die infidel scum!

The media: now now, it's just a rumor that this was inspired by ISIS

the terrorist down on the street: lol it's not a rumor!

[The New California Republic]

It was an Islamic terror attack. What a shock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844

Sudesh Amman, 20, was released around a week ago after serving half of his sentence of three years and four months for terror offences.

In conjunction with the London Bridge attack in November, this will likely lead to a rethink on the early release of prisoners convicted of terror offences; or at least one would hope so.

[Albrenia]

Early release for terrorists seems like a really, really bad idea. I'm personally against parole and the like for any serious violent and/or sexual offences.

[Souseiseki]

Early release for terrorists seems like a really, really bad idea. I'm personally against parole and the like for any serious violent and/or sexual offences.

the problem is that the UK throws so many people in prisons which it refuses to fund that the system would outright explode if they did this.

https://www.closer.ac.uk/wp-content/upl ... -graph.png

"haha let's release people half way through their sentence automatically" was literally just a panic move by labour to try let some steam out of the kettle before things get any worse. that's the little drop off at the end.

[The New California Republic]

Early release for terrorists seems like a really, really bad idea. I'm personally against parole and the like for any serious violent and/or sexual offences.

It's a double-edged sword. On the one hand keeping them in prison protects the public, but on the other hand there is no evidence that deradicalisation programmes with the prisoners works, and the prisoners are likely to become even more radicalised in prison. Many terrorists have previously been in prison for other non-terrorism offences, and when they have been released they have committed acts of terrorism.

[New Bremerton]

EU to support Spain's claim to Gibraltar since UK left EU.

Are they serious? Only the people of Gibraltar have a right to determine their destiny. This is like the United Nations backing China's claim over Hong Kong all the while completely ignoring the input of Hong Kong people, which is exactly what has happened.

The UK must stand with Gibraltar and tell the EU to go fuck itself. They are siding with Spanish fascist imperialists just to spite Britain's decision to Leave. It's absolutely vindictive and immoral.

[Gormwood]

It was an Islamic terror attack. What a shock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844

Sudesh Amman, 20, was released around a week ago after serving half of his sentence of three years and four months for terror offences.

In conjunction with the London Bridge attack in November, this will likely lead to a rethink on the early release of prisoners convicted of terror offences; or at least one would hope so.

Or more likely a Trumpy ban of people from Muslim majority countries.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It was an Islamic terror attack. What a shock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844

Sudesh Amman, 20, was released around a week ago after serving half of his sentence of three years and four months for terror offences.

In conjunction with the London Bridge attack in November, this will likely lead to a rethink on the early release of prisoners convicted of terror offences; or at least one would hope so.

Yeah cause kneejerks are just great right?

[Vassenor]

EU to support Spain's claim to Gibraltar since UK left EU.

Are they serious? Only the people of Gibraltar have a right to determine their destiny. This is like the United Nations backing China's claim over Hong Kong all the while completely ignoring the input of Hong Kong people, which is exactly what has happened.

The UK must stand with Gibraltar and tell the EU to go fuck itself. They are siding with Spanish fascist imperialists just to spite Britain's decision to Leave. It's absolutely vindictive and immoral.

And what reason does the EU have to side with foreigners?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Are they serious? Only the people of Gibraltar have a right to determine their destiny. This is like the United Nations backing China's claim over Hong Kong all the while completely ignoring the input of Hong Kong people, which is exactly what has happened.

The UK must stand with Gibraltar and tell the EU to go fuck itself. They are siding with Spanish fascist imperialists just to spite Britain's decision to Leave. It's absolutely vindictive and immoral.

And what reason does the EU have to side with foreigners?

Respect for international law and established treaties? The Treaty of Utrecht ceded Gibraltar to the UK "in perpetuity"..

[Chan Island]

Boris removed Parliamentary Sovereignty to scrutinise new trade deals.

EU to support Spain's claim to Gibraltar since UK left EU.

1) That's a disgrace. Parliament is sovereign in this country and should have the ability to review and overlook everything the government does, including these trade deals.

2) Gibraltar is British and the Spanish can go poke somebody else if they don't like it.

[The New California Republic]

In conjunction with the London Bridge attack in November, this will likely lead to a rethink on the early release of prisoners convicted of terror offences; or at least one would hope so.

Yeah cause kneejerks are just great right?

Not really kneejerk when this has happened several times now.

[The Free Joy State]

Early release for terrorists seems like a really, really bad idea. I'm personally against parole and the like for any serious violent and/or sexual offences.

It's a double-edged sword. On the one hand keeping them in prison protects the public, but on the other hand there is no evidence that deradicalisation programmes with the prisoners works, and the prisoners are likely to become even more radicalised in prison. Many terrorists have previously been in prison for other non-terrorism offences, and when they have been released they have committed acts of terrorism.

I think it needs to be a balance. You can't just lock up everyone who is ever jailed forever, simply because you know that prisons have tended to be Universities of Crime and Timmy the Thief may graduate as Timmy the Terrorist (I know that's not your argument, NCR; I'm just saying...). Although more investment in prison staff and rehabilitation is really needed to prevent prisons being Universities of Crime.

I think that judges need to be given more flexibility to sentence based on the risk still posed by that individual. If, upon the point of release it can be demonstrated to a reasonable standard that the prisoner still poses a substantial threat to the community, there should be greater flexibility.

I do believe that a sizable majority of people can and should be rehabilitated, and all effort should be made to do so. But some people will always pose a danger to the public.

[Chan Island]

In conjunction with the London Bridge attack in November, this will likely lead to a rethink on the early release of prisoners convicted of terror offences; or at least one would hope so.

Yeah cause kneejerks are just great right?

Kneejerks are not good, but it's obvious that we have to seriously review and reform the way in which we do sentences. We've now had multiple times where we've released crazy madmen and terrorists from prison and they've gone on to immediately go hurt or kill people.