UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Celritannia]

Young people are increasingly turning away from Labour because they are incompetent. Give it a few decades.

Funny how everything always comes back to "progressivism = evil, right-wing sociocultural policy = good".

Yeah I wonder why that is...

Perhaps you just fail to grasp that the Tories don't get the majority of votes.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well done for addressing things I didn't say.

But you still forgot that, proportionally, the Conservatives are finding it harder to get the people on their side.

I can't forget something I was not claiming(although overall vote share increased a bit so one might argue the opposite). I said two things;

1) That the share of the vote that party got in 2019 was slightly better among young people than in 2017.

2) That the age somebody was more likely to vote Conservative than Labour reduced between the two elections. That this tipping point where it becomes more likely lowered from 47 to 39.

The conclusion being that it could signal the beginning of a reverse of what had happened in 2017.

Did I claim conservatives got a majority of votes? No
Did I perhaps claim that a majority of young voters support right wing parties? No
Did I say that the small increase of the vote among young people in 2019 was the main reason we won the election? No

So I'm not really sure why or to what purpose such a reply was made unless it was either not in good faith or you just didn't understand what I said. Whether that is your reading comprehension or my writing that is at fault its does not really matter only that for whichever reason you argued about things I didnt say.

[-Ra-]

Young people are increasingly turning away from Labour because they are incompetent. Give it a few decades.


Yeah I wonder why that is...

Perhaps you just fail to grasp that the Tory don't get the majority of votes.

Doesn't really matter. They got the most votes in the most constituencies.

[Celritannia]

Perhaps you just fail to grasp that the Tory don't get the majority of votes.

Doesn't really matter. They got the most votes in the most constituencies.

Which is damaging to democracy.
Why should a party that wins with 30% of the vote get to win the entire constituency?

[Celritannia]

But you still forgot that, proportionally, the Conservatives are finding it harder to get the people on their side.

I can't forget something I was not claiming(although overall vote share increased a bit so one might argue the opposite). I said two things;

1) That the share of the vote that party got in 2019 was slightly better among young people than in 2017.

2) That the age somebody was more likely to vote Conservative than Labour reduced between the two elections. That this tipping point where it becomes more likely lowered from 47 to 39.

The conclusion being that it could signal the beginning of a reverse of what had happened in 2017.

Did I claim conservatives got a majority of votes? No
Did I perhaps claim that a majority of young voters support right wing parties? No
Did I say that the small increase of the vote among young people in 2019 was the main reason we won the election? No

So I'm not really sure why or to what purpose such a reply was made unless it was either not in good faith or you just didn't understand what I said. Whether that is your reading comprehension or my writing that is at fault its does not really matter only that for whichever reason you argued about things I didnt say.

It wasn't even slightly better, that's the point I was making. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't alter the election much.

The 40s votes was a dramatic shift, but not the young.

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Why should a party that wins with 30% of the vote get to win the entire constituency?

Because it represents the will of most voters?

And people winning by 30% happens, but it's rather rare. The way we have it now is fine. I don't what the colour wheel parliaments that countries like Italy or Spain have. Having too many political parties creates instability and uncertainty when it comes time to form a government. We have it better than the Americans because we have somewhat reliable third party options, but I contend that having one major party of the centre-right and one major party of the centre-left is what's best.

[Vassenor]

Young people are increasingly turning away from Labour because they are incompetent. Give it a few decades.

Funny how everything always comes back to "progressivism = evil, right-wing sociocultural policy = good".

Yeah I wonder why that is...

Why don't you explain what's wrong with progressivism then since clearly you already know the answer.

[Vassenor]

Why should a party that wins with 30% of the vote get to win the entire constituency?

Because it represents the will of most voters?

And people winning by 30% happens, but it's rather rare. The way we have it now is fine. I don't what the colour wheel parliaments that countries like Italy or Spain have. Having too many political parties creates instability and uncertainty when it comes time to form a government. We have it better than the Americans because we have somewhat reliable third party options, but I contend that having one major party of the centre-right and one major party of the centre-left is what's best.

New research: One in six seats in the Commons effectively ‘unearned’ under warped voting system

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Guy from a single party dictatorship thinks single party dictatorships are for Britain. Colour me surprised.

[The New California Republic]

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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Dear Ms Truss would you have Asian rotten tofu in return? *thinking*

[Vassenor]

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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Why do they think there's a market for British cheese in a country with a ~73% lactose intolerance rate?

[-Ra-]

New research: One in six seats in the Commons effectively ‘unearned’ under warped voting system

This statistic is utter bollocks. Every single person in the Commons who won their seat won because they won the most votes. That's how the electoral system works.

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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This therefore indicates that Brexit is a total failure. Have a nice day.

[Vassenor]

New research: One in six seats in the Commons effectively ‘unearned’ under warped voting system

This statistic is utter bollocks. Every single person in the Commons who won their seat won because they won the most votes. That's how the electoral system works.

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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This therefore indicates that Brexit is a total failure. Have a nice day.

You do understand the difference between majority and plurality, right?

And no, it just means the Leave-ists were lying through their teeth about countries lining up to throw amazing trade deals at us.

[The New California Republic]

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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This therefore indicates that Brexit is a total failure. Have a nice day.

Weird statement man, ngl.

[Hurdergaryp]

[The Free Joy State]

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

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Johnson pick risks to derail important trade deals due to an item worth £102,000 a year in a nation with 70% lactose intolerance... it fits.

[-Ra-]

Why do they think there's a market for British cheese in a country with a ~73% lactose intolerance rate?

Only one in ten to two in ten Brits have lactose intolerance.

Do you just like making up facts?

You do understand the difference between majority and plurality, right?

Yeah, that's why I said most, not a majority.

Back to primary school reading courses it is for you.

[The Blaatschapen]

Why do they think there's a market for British cheese in a country with a ~73% lactose intolerance rate?

Only one in ten to two in ten Brits have lactose intolerance.

Do you just like making up facts?

You do understand the difference between majority and plurality, right?

Yeah, that's why I said most, not a majority.

Back to primary school reading courses it is for you.

The lactose intolerance of 73% was in relation to Japan, not the UK.

Your link disproves a statement that was not made.

[The New California Republic]

Why do they think there's a market for British cheese in a country with a ~73% lactose intolerance rate?

Only one in ten to two in ten Brits have lactose intolerance.

Do you just like making up facts?

Referring to Japan actually.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I say let Britain raise a fuss over rotten cheese to Japan, as long as Britain reciprocates with an equal market share in rotten tofu.

[Vassenor]

Why do they think there's a market for British cheese in a country with a ~73% lactose intolerance rate?

Only one in ten to two in ten Brits have lactose intolerance.

Do you just like making up facts?

You do understand the difference between majority and plurality, right?

Yeah, that's why I said most, not a majority.

Back to primary school reading courses it is for you.

Yet you're saying that "Every single person in the Commons who won their seat won because they won the most votes" in response to a statement about MPs being elected with a plurality rather than a majority. MPs being elected despite the majority of constituents voting against them isn't really a good thing.

[Neanderthaland]

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"Man who tested positive for covid walks around schools touching things before students arrive."

[-Ra-]

Only one in ten to two in ten Brits have lactose intolerance.

Do you just like making up facts?


Yeah, that's why I said most, not a majority.

Back to primary school reading courses it is for you.

The lactose intolerance of 73% was in relation to Japan, not the UK.

Your link disproves a statement that was not made.

Her comment was poorly phrased.

And she's wrong anyway, since the actual rate is 77%

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Her comment was poorly phrased.

And she's wrong anyway, since the actual rate is 77%

That doesn't make it any better for Britain's case of trying to peddle rotten cheese to Japan.