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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:08 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:British academics have taken to indoctrinating their young, naive, impressionable charges into believing they are entitled to exclusionary race and gender quotas, welfare checks, affirmative action, and an undeserved leg up solely on account of their race or gender, that white men are the source of all that is wrong with this world, that sIlEnCe iS vIoLeNcE, and that anyone who disagrees is a racist or an Uncle Tom who deserves to be canceled, doxxed, harassed, and made to live under a bridge along with their family for the rest of their lives on account of their non-racist, non-sexist, non-bigoted, but insufficiently woke, opinions.



Oh yes.

When I was still a university lecturer I did this all of the time.

How did you find out? I thought you had to be a 34th-level Acolyte of the Sacred Circles of Academia in order to gain access to the Inner Mysteries.

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Postby Hirota » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:15 am

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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:University bigots want to control minorities

The link is paywalled. If anyone has access to the full article, feel free to post it here. In the meantime, here's a grainy photo of the full article I took from the TV.

So Trevor Phillips, former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission in the UK and longtime civil rights activist, speaks out against his former comrades for indulging in a totalitarian cult of cultural Marxist, pseudo-progressive wokeness that dishonestly claims to champion the rights and dignity of women and minorities when they are politically useful to their eternal cultural revolution and casually discards them as Uncle Toms the moment they have outlived their usefulness. British academics have taken to indoctrinating their young, naive, impressionable charges into believing they are entitled to exclusionary race and gender quotas, welfare checks, affirmative action, and an undeserved leg up solely on account of their race or gender, that white men are the source of all that is wrong with this world, that sIlEnCe iS vIoLeNcE, and that anyone who disagrees is a racist or an Uncle Tom who deserves to be canceled, doxxed, harassed, and made to live under a bridge along with their family for the rest of their lives on account of their non-racist, non-sexist, non-bigoted, but insufficiently woke, opinions.


And what examples does he actually cite? A long list of "this is totally happening, trust me" isn't really all that useful.


He refers to this report: https://policyexchange.org.uk/publicati ... -the-uk-2/
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
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German culture is a set of local cultures that are complex. It's a series of notions, tendencies, and traits to varying degrees.

Yet, we can agree(I hope!) that British and German culture are not the same. So what is British which is not also German? And vice versa, what is German which is not also British.

Kilts. It's definitely something British (in a subset of its local cultures), but not German(at least, I never heard a German argue that kilts are part of their culture). Yet I feel it is more, because I can get a German to wear a kilt (don't ask), but that doesn't make them British, nor does it stop them from being German. And at the same time, if I remove the kilt from a Brit, they do not stop being a Brit. They start being angry usually, but that's another story :p


Is this where I cite my published work on the use of the kilt within negotiating Scottish and British identities, particularly the co-authored book chapter written with a German colleague that makes an explicit comparison between the kilt and lederhosen?


No, just state on a scale of 1-100 how wrong I am here.

Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p
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Postby Philjia » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:48 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:British academics have taken to indoctrinating their young, naive, impressionable charges into believing they are entitled to exclusionary race and gender quotas, welfare checks, affirmative action, and an undeserved leg up solely on account of their race or gender, that white men are the source of all that is wrong with this world, that sIlEnCe iS vIoLeNcE, and that anyone who disagrees is a racist or an Uncle Tom who deserves to be canceled, doxxed, harassed, and made to live under a bridge along with their family for the rest of their lives on account of their non-racist, non-sexist, non-bigoted, but insufficiently woke, opinions.



Oh yes.

When I was still a university lecturer I did this all of the time.

How did you find out? I thought you had to be a 34th-level Acolyte of the Sacred Circles of Academia in order to gain access to the Inner Mysteries.

The only mysteries my lecturers are interested in are how to solve global warming, social and wealth inequality, energy production, the housing crisis, and environmental protection at the same time, and how the university's computer system works.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:48 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:British academics have taken to indoctrinating their young, naive, impressionable charges into believing they are entitled to exclusionary race and gender quotas, welfare checks, affirmative action, and an undeserved leg up solely on account of their race or gender, that white men are the source of all that is wrong with this world, that sIlEnCe iS vIoLeNcE, and that anyone who disagrees is a racist or an Uncle Tom who deserves to be canceled, doxxed, harassed, and made to live under a bridge along with their family for the rest of their lives on account of their non-racist, non-sexist, non-bigoted, but insufficiently woke, opinions.



Oh yes.

When I was still a university lecturer I did this all of the time.

How did you find out? I thought you had to be a 34th-level Acolyte of the Sacred Circles of Academia in order to gain access to the Inner Mysteries.

No. Remember the swearing-in process to the outer sanctum starts at level 28, you are thinking about full access.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p

To add fuel to the fire, Scots is a West Germanic language...*

*Yes I know that English is too, it's a joke.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:53 am

Philjia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:

Oh yes.

When I was still a university lecturer I did this all of the time.

How did you find out? I thought you had to be a 34th-level Acolyte of the Sacred Circles of Academia in order to gain access to the Inner Mysteries.

The only mysteries my lecturers are interested in are how to solve global warming, social and wealth inequality, energy production, the housing crisis, and environmental protection at the same time, and how the university's computer system works.


Most of those problems are easily solveable. Unfortunately, the solution is being blocked by the latter problem.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:54 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p


Perhaps one of the academics here could write a book on the role of the accordion in cultural identity. In between bouts of cultural Marxism of course.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p


Perhaps one of the academics here could write a book on the role of the accordion in cultural identity. In between bouts of cultural Marxism of course.

Linking bagpipes and accordions via dialectical materialism would be interesting.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:59 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p


Perhaps one of the academics here could write a book on the role of the accordion in cultural identity. In between bouts of cultural Marxism of course.


Karl Marx was from Trier, which is not a part of Bavaria. Rather it was the Prussian province of the lower Rhine (nowadays Rhineland-Palatinate) :unsure:
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:27 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p

Perhaps one of the academics here could write a book on the role of the accordion in cultural identity. In between bouts of cultural Marxism of course.

Cultural marxism? That's just a fancy US American rebranding of Kulturbolschewismus, straight from the Third Reich and thoroughly antisemitic.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:31 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Also, does this mean that the Scottish are the Bavarians of Britain? :p


You've obviously forgotten the identity of the current heir to the Jacobite succession...


I'm a republican, the only time I remember nobility is when I am near a garbage can.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:29 am

Hirota wrote:
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And what examples does he actually cite? A long list of "this is totally happening, trust me" isn't really all that useful.


He refers to this report: https://policyexchange.org.uk/publicati ... -the-uk-2/


The best part about that report (I've only read the Executive Summary) is that the authors recommend that Parliament pass an Academic Freedom Bill and establish an ombudsman with the power to issue fines for violations of academic freedom. They contend that systemic political discrimination exists in academia, particularly against those of a more right-leaning persuasion.
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Perhaps one of the academics here could write a book on the role of the accordion in cultural identity. In between bouts of cultural Marxism of course.

Cultural marxism? That's just a fancy US American rebranding of Kulturbolschewismus, straight from the Third Reich and thoroughly antisemitic.

I was going to comment on the blatantly antisemitic nature of "Cultural Marxism" but...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:42 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
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You've obviously forgotten the identity of the current heir to the Jacobite succession...


I'm a republican, the only time I remember nobility is when I am near a garbage can.

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I wonder how many HongKongers will take up the offer and move over. Cant imagine being in their situation and genuinely thinking about having to leave home because of that crap the Chinese are pulling. Hope the ones who come over have good lives and can do well.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:59 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
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I'm a republican, the only time I remember nobility is when I am near a garbage can.

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I am not associating with her.
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I am not associating with her.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:08 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:


The best part about that report (I've only read the Executive Summary) is that the authors recommend that Parliament pass an Academic Freedom Bill and establish an ombudsman with the power to issue fines for violations of academic freedom. They contend that systemic political discrimination exists in academia, particularly against those of a more right-leaning persuasion.


OK, let's take this from the top:

What do they contend is the cause of this discrimination? The report notes that ~75% of academics are left wing voters - what explanation do they have for this?
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The Archregimancy wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:British academics have taken to indoctrinating their young, naive, impressionable charges into believing they are entitled to exclusionary race and gender quotas, welfare checks, affirmative action, and an undeserved leg up solely on account of their race or gender, that white men are the source of all that is wrong with this world, that sIlEnCe iS vIoLeNcE, and that anyone who disagrees is a racist or an Uncle Tom who deserves to be canceled, doxxed, harassed, and made to live under a bridge along with their family for the rest of their lives on account of their non-racist, non-sexist, non-bigoted, but insufficiently woke, opinions.



Oh yes.

When I was still a university lecturer I did this all of the time.

How did you find out? I thought you had to be a 34th-level Acolyte of the Sacred Circles of Academia in order to gain access to the Inner Mysteries.


Can confirm. I spend half my time indoctrinating people about groups, discriminants, and integration.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:54 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Happy 150th anniversary to the British Red Cross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6v6aFw ... e=emb_logo

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/ou ... 150-voices

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53645820


No real discussion point; just recognising a significant anniversary for a prominent British institution.


Eh, pretty sure quite a few of those Red Cross types will be heading to Beirut in the next few days.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:54 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Happy 150th anniversary to the British Red Cross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6v6aFw ... e=emb_logo

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/ou ... 150-voices

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53645820


No real discussion point; just recognising a significant anniversary for a prominent British institution.

Whenever I buy books I try to get them from charities, with the British Red Cross being one of them. I've never done any actual charity work for them though, as I was mostly involved in helping fundraising for Barnardo's.
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