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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:26 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Looking forward to the gammon outrage about the idea of putting a person of colour on a bank note.

Who do they wana put on a note?
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:32 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Looking forward to the gammon outrage about the idea of putting a person of colour on a bank note.


There are no vacancies to the best of my knowledge - not on Bank of England banknotes, anyway. Perhaps there's scope for outrage on this issue in Scotland or Northern Ireland?

We are, however, about to get a gay man on the £50 note; will that do for the time being?

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:33 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Looking forward to the gammon outrage about the idea of putting a person of colour on a bank note.

Who do they wana put on a note?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tes-first/

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Postby Andsed » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:36 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Who do they wana put on a note?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tes-first/

Mary Seacole, Noor Inayat Khan

Not really familiar with Noor Inayat Khan but from what I found she was pretty heroic. Seacole absolutely deserves to be honored.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:40 am

Andsed wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tes-first/

Mary Seacole, Noor Inayat Khan

Not really familiar with Noor Inayat Khan but from what I found she was pretty heroic. Seacole absolutely deserves to be honored.

I found out about Khan myself just recently in the last season of Doctor Who where she had an appearance. Was a british spy and the first female wireless operator to be sent into Occupied France to help the french resistance. Ended up dying in a concentration camp.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:42 am

What's with all the Pole hating going on in Britain post Brexit? It seems like all of the sudden half of the UK wants to throw every last polish person into the North sea kicking and screaming.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:48 am

The Telegraph seems to have become the government's organ of choice for floating policy ideas. I suppose the Murdoch press became so toxic after hacking Millie Dowler's phone.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:50 am

Rojava Free State wrote:What's with all the Pole hating going on in Britain post Brexit? It seems like all of the sudden half of the UK wants to throw every last polish person into the North sea kicking and screaming.


idk i thought most of the poles went home as quality of life in poland went up and quality of life in england stagnated. maybe people are just getting nostalgic for the decades gone?
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:51 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:What's with all the Pole hating going on in Britain post Brexit? It seems like all of the sudden half of the UK wants to throw every last polish person into the North sea kicking and screaming.


idk i thought most of the poles went home as quality of life in poland went up and quality of life in england stagnated. maybe people are just getting nostalgic for the decades gone?


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:59 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I imagine all the different IRAs all choosing the same target, turning up to plant the bomb, and pointing at each other like that spiderman meme.


The Provisional IRA when they run into the Official IRA: Why are you us? We're us.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:05 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I imagine all the different IRAs all choosing the same target, turning up to plant the bomb, and pointing at each other like that spiderman meme.


The Provisional IRA when they run into the Official IRA: Why are you us? We're us.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:07 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Who do they wana put on a note?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tes-first/

Mary Seacole, Noor Inayat Khan


Ah, but that's not notes - it's coins. While a 'Banknotes of Colour' campaign group seems to be involved in pushing the change, the article clearly states that:

Black and ethnic minority people are set to feature on British money for the first time, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak is looking at proposals by a campaign group to put influential BAME figures from throughout history on a set of coins, a Treasury minister said.


Coins are a bit easier - and less prone to controversy - than notes since there are typically several commemorative £2 and 50p coins each year. They wouldn't have to replace anyone to get Mary Seacole on a coin.


True story: I helped design one of the Royal Mint £2 coins coming out this year. It's not out yet, but it should come out next month (I think).

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Have just done a check, and one source claims that since I left the project in May of last year, it's transmuted into a £5 coin; and therefore won't find its way into your change. This isn't confirmed yet, but if true would be a source of minor disappointment for me.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:13 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tes-first/

Mary Seacole, Noor Inayat Khan


Ah, but that's not notes - it's coins. While a 'Banknotes of Colour' campaign group seems to be involved in pushing the change, the article clearly states that:

Black and ethnic minority people are set to feature on British money for the first time, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak is looking at proposals by a campaign group to put influential BAME figures from throughout history on a set of coins, a Treasury minister said.


Coins are a bit easier - and less prone to controversy - than notes since there are typically several commemorative £2 and 50p coins each year. They wouldn't have to replace anyone to get Mary Seacole on a coin.


True story: I helped design one of the Royal Mint £2 coins coming out this year. It's not out yet, but it should come out next month (I think).


A spokeperson from the campaign was on the news talking about bank notes, and starting the process of getting a person of colour on one, and the support they were getting from Rishi Sunak, and Layla Moran, amongst others. I couldn't link to the TV news segment so found the closest thing I could.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:16 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Ah, but that's not notes - it's coins. While a 'Banknotes of Colour' campaign group seems to be involved in pushing the change, the article clearly states that:



Coins are a bit easier - and less prone to controversy - than notes since there are typically several commemorative £2 and 50p coins each year. They wouldn't have to replace anyone to get Mary Seacole on a coin.


True story: I helped design one of the Royal Mint £2 coins coming out this year. It's not out yet, but it should come out next month (I think).


A spokeperson from the campaign was on the news talking about bank notes, and starting the process of getting a person of colour on one, and the support they were getting from Rishi Sunak, and Layla Moran, amongst others. I couldn't link to the TV news segment so found the closest thing I could.


Well, it it's going to be bank notes, then we're likely a decade away from an update of any Bank of England banknotes; so they could be waiting a while. Alan Turing on the new £50 note (next year) is as much diversity as we're going to get on that front in the immediate future. A coin (or set of coins), on the other hand, could be done in 18 months.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:17 am

Besides, commemorative coinage is markedly more permanent than commemorative banknotes.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:25 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
A spokeperson from the campaign was on the news talking about bank notes, and starting the process of getting a person of colour on one, and the support they were getting from Rishi Sunak, and Layla Moran, amongst others. I couldn't link to the TV news segment so found the closest thing I could.


Well, it it's going to be bank notes, then we're likely a decade away from an update of any Bank of England banknotes; so they could be waiting a while. A coin (or set of coins), on the other hand, could be done in 18 months.


It's a slow process even without getting the cultural buy in. There was enough of an outcry when they took Wellington off the old fivers, so it's best to telegraph these things.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:06 pm

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has been caught up in his own department's rule change while on holiday in Spain.

The cabinet minister travelled to the country with his family on Saturday morning for a summer break.

But just hours later, the Department for Transport confirmed all travellers returning to the UK from Spain would have to quarantine for 14 days, due to a spike in cases in the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53543198

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:49 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Well, it it's going to be bank notes, then we're likely a decade away from an update of any Bank of England banknotes; so they could be waiting a while. A coin (or set of coins), on the other hand, could be done in 18 months.


It's a slow process even without getting the cultural buy in. There was enough of an outcry when they took Wellington off the old fivers, so it's best to telegraph these things.


We've been putting a person of colour on British coins for centuries. St. George.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:50 pm

C L R James wasn't British Hirota.
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Postby Hirota » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:20 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:C L R James wasn't British Hirota.
Neither was Noor Inayat Khan, if that's the criteria. She was born in Russia.

However you are wrong - both CLR James and Seacole (the other one you listed) were born in British colonies at a time when the empire was still a thing.

Not that it really matters to me, but you were the one who raised "British" as a requirement.

If "British" nationality isn't an issue (and it shouldn't really), but rather their service for this country (such as Seacole and Inayat Khan) how about something honouring the ghurkas?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:26 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:C L R James wasn't British Hirota.


Neither was Mary Seacole though depending on how strict we want to be regarding parents.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:49 am

While she's very worthy of commemoration, I still think it more likely that the British-Jamican Seacole (whose father was a Scottish British army officer, if anyone's puzzled by Vassenor's sentence) would get a coin rather than a bank note. I also think it won't be imminent unless there's a more general 'Britons of Colour' coin issue - though from the original Telegraph article linked-to above, this is looking likely.

Several factors here:

1) We had a nurse best known for her Crimean War activity on a Bank of England £10 note from 1975-1992; that might be a bit too recently for thematic duplication for the Bank, though it wouldn't impact the Mint's decision-making process (the Bank of England issues English notes; the Royal Mint issues UK-wide coins).

2) The Mint does, however, separately try to avoid replicating similar themes in its own issues too closely together. Inconveniently, 2020 just happens to be the 200th anniversary of Florence Nightingale's birth, and I believe a commemorative coin is forthcoming (which is a bit greedy, since Nightingale had a £2 coin as recently as 2010, to commemorate the centenary of her death and the 150th anniversary of the foundations of British nursing, but there you go).

3) The Mint likes to associate coins for specific people or events on significant anniversaries, and we don't have much in the way of convenient Seacole-specific anniversaries for a while.



Also, so long as we're doing significant 19th through 20th-century British women of colour, can I take a moment to nominate Sophia Duleep Singh, prominent suffragette, British-born Punjabi princess, First World War British Red Cross nursing volunteer, and goddaughter of Queen Victoria.

Though she has at least already had a Royal Mail stamp:

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Postby Mostrov » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:28 am

Vassenor wrote:Neither was Mary Seacole though depending on how strict we want to be regarding parents.

Vassenor discussing how 'British' ethnic minorities may be. Have we come full circle and looped back over into ethnonationalism?

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:33 am

Hirota wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:C L R James wasn't British Hirota.
Neither was Noor Inayat Khan, if that's the criteria. She was born in Russia.

However you are wrong - both CLR James and Seacole (the other one you listed) were born in British colonies at a time when the empire was still a thing.

Not that it really matters to me, but you were the one who raised "British" as a requirement.

If "British" nationality isn't an issue (and it shouldn't really), but rather their service for this country (such as Seacole and Inayat Khan) how about something honouring the ghurkas?


Ghurkas who won the Victoria Cross were mentioned by the campaign's spokesperson as potential candidates.
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