UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[The Free Joy State]

Interesting piece: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Basically, the argument is that because the ''out of hospital’ deaths from covid-19 is determined from if you've ever tested positive Covid-19 and then gone on to die (which I raised issues with before because Covid-19 may have had nothing to do with why you died), the current daily deaths are increasingly inaccurate.

For example, someone might have been tested for Covid-19 three months ago, recovered, and then gone on to die from something else.

And this will only become more inaccurate over time as more people are tested and more tests are carried out and more people recover but then go on to die in the months (or heck, years?!) since.

I don't know if this is a flaw in methodology unique to the UK or not in how we derive the stats.

Interesting. I dispute that the author's claim that they clearly died of something else -- especially as research is noting long-term complications of COVID-19 (including lung damage, heart failure, and cognitive impairment). That, and I always exercise caution with research that's yet to be peer-reviewed.

But it is interesting. Definitely, it points to more follow-up being needed (including subsequent tests) with those who test positive for COVID, and suggests that -- if the claims stand up to scrutiny -- how the stats of COVID-related deaths are assessed may need re-examining to ensure those who died with neither COVID nor health issues caused by COVID are not included.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Oh good, this will go well I'm sure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

He's on his side specifically because this prevents asphyxiation from this technique, while with Floyd the pressure was on his trachea due to him being on his front. Progressive media hysteria influencing institutions.

Because pressure on the carotid artery and vagus nerve is somehow better.

[Vassenor]

He's on his side specifically because this prevents asphyxiation from this technique, while with Floyd the pressure was on his trachea due to him being on his front. Progressive media hysteria influencing institutions.

Because pressure on the carotid artery and vagus nerve is somehow better.

Nope. Gotta be those evil progressives teaching kids that choking people is bad.

[The Free Joy State]

He's on his side specifically because this prevents asphyxiation from this technique, while with Floyd the pressure was on his trachea due to him being on his front. Progressive media hysteria influencing institutions.

Because pressure on the carotid artery and vagus nerve is somehow better.

I kind of feel "don't kneel on necks, end of story" would be a better technique.

I mean, tellingly, the Deputy Met Police Commissioner says what the officers are seen doing is not taught in police training, so hopefully the Met might agree on that score.

[The New California Republic]

Because pressure on the carotid artery and vagus nerve is somehow better.

I kind of feel "don't kneel on necks, end of story" would be a better technique.

I mean, tellingly, the Deputy Met Police Commissioner says what the officers are seen doing is not taught in police training, so hopefully the Met might agree on that score.

At the very least the police involved must have realised that it'd look bad. They'd have needed to have been living under a rock for the past few years to plead ignorance with a straight face.

[Hirota]

Interesting. I dispute that the author's claim that they clearly died of something else -- especially as research is noting long-term complications of COVID-19 (including lung damage, heart failure, and cognitive impairment). That, and I always exercise caution with research that's yet to be peer-reviewed.

But it is interesting. Definitely, it points to more follow-up being needed (including subsequent tests) with those who test positive for COVID, and suggests that -- if the claims stand up to scrutiny -- how the stats of COVID-related deaths are assessed may need re-examining to ensure those who died with neither COVID nor health issues caused by COVID are not included.

At the very least it suggests the current numbers are too high. It's not clear if they are significantly too high.

I kind of feel "don't kneel on necks, end of story" would be a better technique.

I mean, tellingly, the Deputy Met Police Commissioner says what the officers are seen doing is not taught in police training, so hopefully the Met might agree on that score.

At the very least the police involved must have realised that it'd look bad. They'd have needed to have been living under a rock for the past few years to plead ignorance with a straight face.

Yeah I think regardless of the legitimacy of the specific technique as suggested by Ostro (to which I am no expert in police restraining techniques), the optics of it are not great. At the very least they got out and suspended one of the officers, put the other on admin duties, and came out ahead of it.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Interesting piece: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Basically, the argument is that because the ''out of hospital’ deaths from covid-19 is determined from if you've ever tested positive Covid-19 and then gone on to die (which I raised issues with before because Covid-19 may have had nothing to do with why you died), the current daily deaths are increasingly inaccurate.

For example, someone might have been tested for Covid-19 three months ago, recovered, and then gone on to die from something else.

And this will only become more inaccurate over time as more people are tested and more tests are carried out and more people recover but then go on to die in the months (or heck, years?!) since.

I don't know if this is a flaw in methodology unique to the UK or not in how we derive the stats.

Interesting. I dispute that the author's claim that they clearly died of something else -- especially as research is noting long-term complications of COVID-19 (including lung damage, heart failure, and cognitive impairment). That, and I always exercise caution with research that's yet to be peer-reviewed.

But it is interesting. Definitely, it points to more follow-up being needed (including subsequent tests) with those who test positive for COVID, and suggests that -- if the claims stand up to scrutiny -- how the stats of COVID-related deaths are assessed may need re-examining to ensure those who died with neither COVID nor health issues caused by COVID are not included.

Surely the problem for the government with this, is that the excess deaths are still about 20,000 higher than the cumulative covid-19 figure, so if deaths directly from Covid-19 are actually lower, then the government has fucked up even more on managing the effects of the pandemic.

[CoraSpia]

Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

He fucked off as soon as this was announced, so did his whole family.

[CoraSpia]

Interesting piece: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Basically, the argument is that because the ''out of hospital’ deaths from covid-19 is determined from if you've ever tested positive Covid-19 and then gone on to die (which I raised issues with before because Covid-19 may have had nothing to do with why you died), the current daily deaths are increasingly inaccurate.

For example, someone might have been tested for Covid-19 three months ago, recovered, and then gone on to die from something else.

And this will only become more inaccurate over time as more people are tested and more tests are carried out and more people recover but then go on to die in the months (or heck, years?!) since.

I don't know if this is a flaw in methodology unique to the UK or not in how we derive the stats.

What I heard is that you can get a positive covid test in april, get run over by a bus in july and it'll be classed as a covid death.

[Ostroeuropa]

On todays episode of "It's a good thing Ostro isn't an MP because he wouldn't be able to help himself;"

It's a good thing i'm not an MP, or instead of jeering with that weird noise parliamentarians do i'd start Neighing all the time when I objected to Johnson and calling him a horsefucker when outside of parliament. Maybe try and get everyone to make oinks and neighs as a new tradition when they object to a Tory.

In the 2005 piece Mr Johnson said he "loved" hunting with dogs, in part because of the "semi-sexual relation with the horse"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 24846.html

We can see the gradual escalation here that hypernormalization entails.

"I did not have sexual relations with that pig" - Cameron

"I had semi-sexual relations with that horse" - Johnson

"Alright, so I fucked the chicken, what's the problem." - Next Tory Leader


More seriously he openly called for people to just break the law and continue doing it and encouraged them to do so.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It is like skiing, in that you are personally tracing, at speed, the contour of the landscape, and then there is the added interest of the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse, in which you have the illusion of understanding and control. There is the military-style pleasure of wheeling and charging as one, the emulative fun of a pseudo-campaign.

Boris please stop talking.

[Andsed]

On todays episode of "It's a good thing Ostro isn't an MP because he wouldn't be able to help himself;"

It's a good thing i'm not an MP, or instead of jeering with that weird noise parliamentarians do i'd start Neighing all the time when I objected to Johnson and calling him a horsefucker when outside of parliament. Maybe try and get everyone to make oinks and neighs as a new tradition when they object to a Tory.

In the 2005 piece Mr Johnson said he "loved" hunting with dogs, in part because of the "semi-sexual relation with the horse"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 24846.html

We can see the gradual escalation here that hypernormalization entails.

"I did not have sexual relations with that pig" - Cameron

"I had semi-sexual relations with that horse" - Johnson

"Alright, so I fucked the chicken, what's the problem." - Next Tory Leader


More seriously he openly called for people to just break the law and continue doing it and encouraged them to do so.

It is like skiing, in that you are personally tracing, at speed, the contour of the landscape, and then there is the added interest of the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse, in which you have the illusion of understanding and control. There is the military-style pleasure of wheeling and charging as one, the emulative fun of a pseudo-campaign.

Boris please stop talking.

Is it not enough that he is going to encourage people to break the law? Did he have to say it like that? I feel dirty just reading this.

[Philjia]

It is like skiing, in that you are personally tracing, at speed, the contour of the landscape, and then there is the added interest of the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse, in which you have the illusion of understanding and control. There is the military-style pleasure of wheeling and charging as one, the emulative fun of a pseudo-campaign.

Boris please stop talking.

On the one hand I want him to keep talking just to see how much he can incriminate himself, and on the other hand I feel I've already seen too much.

[Gormwood]

It is like skiing, in that you are personally tracing, at speed, the contour of the landscape, and then there is the added interest of the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse, in which you have the illusion of understanding and control. There is the military-style pleasure of wheeling and charging as one, the emulative fun of a pseudo-campaign.

Boris please stop talking.

David Cameron has entered the chat

[Ifreann]

It is like skiing, in that you are personally tracing, at speed, the contour of the landscape, and then there is the added interest of the weird semi-sexual relation with the horse, in which you have the illusion of understanding and control. There is the military-style pleasure of wheeling and charging as one, the emulative fun of a pseudo-campaign.

Boris please stop talking.

[Everybody disliked that]

[Vassenor]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

[CoraSpia]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

It's going to be great, aren't you excited for Brexit?

[The Islands of Versilia]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

I’m more of the opinion Brexit was a plot by anti-British, pro-UR/CPC traitors orchestrated by paid-for ideologues and corpocrats. It’s absolutely dastardly to disempower the UK in such a manner and the fact people bought the rhetoric only makes me hate my fellow citizens even more.

[Agarntrop]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

> no deal Brexit

Imagine calling yourself "left-wing" then sucking up to a right-wing trading block which forces its members to sell off their industries.

[Vassenor]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

> no deal Brexit

Imagine calling yourself "left-wing" then sucking up to a right-wing trading block which forces its members to sell off their industries.

What, the USA?

[Vassenor]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

It's going to be great, aren't you excited for Brexit?

Dig the fallout shelter another twenty feet deeper.

[Andsed]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

It's going to be great, aren't you excited for Brexit?

Very funny.

[Ostroeuropa]

Coronavirus leaves UK firms unprepared for no-deal Brexit

...it's almost like Brexit was a stupid idea to begin with, but wedging a rock on the accelerator and aiming squarely for Beachy Head at a time like this was even stupider.

I’m more of the opinion Brexit was a plot by anti-British, pro-UR/CPC traitors orchestrated by paid-for ideologues and corpocrats. It’s absolutely dastardly to disempower the UK in such a manner and the fact people bought the rhetoric only makes me hate my fellow citizens even more.

It was a ballot box riot, comparable to when minorities burn down their own communities. Support was over 70% of laborers, and 59% of the unemployed. It was concentrated in poorer regions of the UK.

[Agarntrop]

> no deal Brexit

Imagine calling yourself "left-wing" then sucking up to a right-wing trading block which forces its members to sell off their industries.

What, the USA?

Haha snarky response.

Now, do you have any idea how the EU functions?

[The Islands of Versilia]

I’m more of the opinion Brexit was a plot by anti-British, pro-UR/CPC traitors orchestrated by paid-for ideologues and corpocrats. It’s absolutely dastardly to disempower the UK in such a manner and the fact people bought the rhetoric only makes me hate my fellow citizens even more.

It was a ballot box riot, comparable to when minorities burn down their own communities. Support was over 70% of laborers, and 59% of the unemployed.

It’s just... so absolutely stupid that we found ourselves patting each other on the back for leaving the our best trading partner and overall boon to our national wealth and are now selling ourselves out even harder to the US and China. We’ve weakened ourselves to the extent that even if we’d tried we’d be barely anything more than a regional power - one that lacks a spine no less.

Had we been smarter, we would’ve stayed in Europe and actively worked to reform it so that it would be more beneficial not only to Britons but Europeans as a whole so that we could regain some semblance of hegemony or global power.