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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

Yes
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No *vote amended by GRU*
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Total votes : 83

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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:17 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:So the honeymoon has worn off for starmer huh


He's doing a very good job at PMQs.
I think the worst thing I've personally seen is Labour under his leadership has often been accused of being muddled on policy (and not just from his opponents in the Tories). I see that as a problem of communication rather than outright weakness.

Agree he's done well in PMQ's most of the time, far more clinical than Corbs.
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Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:02 am

Vassenor wrote:


Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.

If you can't get the majority of your students to turn out and vote Tory what good is the university ?
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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:39 am

Vassenor wrote:


Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.
Ah, of course Priyamvada Gopal and Cambridge University is "toeing the party line" by protecting her free speech to say baity crap for the benefit of the Tory party. Free speech is not a binary which automatically favours "the left" or "the right"

It's depressing that the very simple concept of free speech is absurdly difficult to grasp for some people.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:23 am

Hirota wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Alternative headline: Government will only bail out universities that agree to toe the party line.
Ah, of course Priyamvada Gopal and Cambridge University is "toeing the party line" by protecting her free speech to say baity crap for the benefit of the Tory party. Free speech is not a binary which automatically favours "the left" or "the right"

It's depressing that the very simple concept of free speech is absurdly difficult to grasp for some people.

Besides, if you only favour 'free speech' for those you agree with, you don't really believe in it.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:43 am

Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:45 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

Pretty much. We're going full steam ahead for a second spike anyway - so to use an equally cliched term, we will be back to normal by Christmas - the new normal.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:57 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:00 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Isn't peddling the "it will be all over by Christmas" line usually a sign of clueless desperation?

It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.


Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:07 am

Greed and Death wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.


Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.


Depends on how long immunity lasts.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:09 am

Greed and Death wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's also assuming there isn't a second spike in the winter.


Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:48 am

I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:02 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Though the way the US and the UK are going the urban centers may have a degree of herd immunity by then.

Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.


The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:13 am

Greed and Death wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Except there's no evidence herd immunity is possible.


The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.


So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:47 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499

Did not know Star Wars V got upgraded to PG

Really strange how we used to be so concerned about language that the use of fuck would always mean that a film would get a 15 yet someone having their arm graphically chopped off was rated a U (acceptable for all ages).
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:53 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.


So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?


Antibodies are a small part of Immunological memory. Further a drop off of Antibodies is fairly common after the infection has cleared, life long antibody production is generally limited to infections that hide out in your nervous system ( herpes and chickenpox are examples). Antibodies are extremely effective at neutralizing viruses, but because they are only protein and not cells they break down rather quickly.

The memory B Cells and the Memory T Cells are far more vital to long term immunity response. They are also harder to detect because you can't easily tell the difference between B and T cells that are and aren't responsive to a particular infection.

Bcells tend to last for years and produce antibodies when encountering an antigen they have encountered before.

Memory T Cells work in similar yet different ways that I do not fully understand because I do not have time to dig that far into biochemistry. Though they are easier to test for than B-cells and Science has found them for Covid-19. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07- ... unity.html
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:56 am

Agarntrop wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I had forgotten Life of Brian was classified in some local authorities as an X film when it came out. How absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53441499

Did not know Star Wars V got upgraded to PG

Really strange how we used to be so concerned about language that the use of fuck would always mean that a film would get a 15 yet someone having their arm graphically chopped off was rated a U (acceptable for all ages).

Having a limb cleanly lopped off without a spray helps.
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Postby Salandriagado » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
The fact most other airborne viral infections lead to herd immunity at least until the disease mutates into something less lethal generally does it for me.


So how do you explain the problems with lacking antibody persistence?


1. There's no clear evidence that antibodies in the majority of people decline to a problematic level.
2. Lack of antibodies is not lack of immunity. Chickenpox antibodies last a year at most, but chickenpox immunity is generally life-long.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:37 am

Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased. :)

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:07 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased. :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:28 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Rochdale introducing stricter Covid measures as cases are on the rise. GVH will be pleased. :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-53448533

I do kinda disagree with limiting the amount of people that you can let into your home, but aside from that the restrictions seem sensible enough.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:21 pm

Anybody notice how the defences of the majority of the British establishment being complimentary and fawning over Hitler and Nazism before he actually invaded poland, boil down to;

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.

Says a lot about our ruling class frankly.

"Wow, promising to genocide the jews and start a new world war and conquer the world, what a genius. I wish I was as clever as Hitler when it came to lying to the public about what i'm going to do rather than rob them blind. Wait, HE'S BEING HONEST?! WHAT!? This is *unprecedented*!".

Don't take my word for it. Point out to people how Lloyd George, Churchhill, practically anyone said Hitler was amazing and they loved him and he was open about wanting total war and genocide since the 20s. They'll kneejerk respond "Well yeah, but they didn't think he'd actually do it" to dismiss that observation without considering what it says about our political culture.

Politicians shocked when fellow politician actually goes through with campaign promises.
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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:47 pm

Oh good, this will go well I'm sure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:35 pm

Hirota wrote:Oh good, this will go well I'm sure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641


He's on his side specifically because this prevents asphyxiation from this technique, while with Floyd the pressure was on his trachea due to him being on his front. Progressive media hysteria influencing institutions.
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