UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Yes. Pubs being open is antithetical to the concept of social distancing. We may soon realise that this was a mistake.

I fear so.

If pubs are going to open (which, I agree it's far too early), I think they should do what one place I saw on the news was -- pre-booking, limited capacity and table service only (to help keep social distancing). I also think that they should have time-limited slots (one-hour/an-hour-thirty at most) to allow people to have a friendly drink but prevent people going around getting bladdered (where they may lose sight of social distancing)

That's what the pubs in Rochdale town centre are doing.
The trick is to book 6 different pubs for 6 different hours.

[Andsed]

I don't drink. I have no interest in doing so. And your pub idea is a reckless one that could very well see you and others infected.

Ah well

Oh yeah. Just ah well. You just worsened a pandemic and could have likely got someone sick or even killed. No big deal right? This kind of mindset is why there is likely going to be a second spike.

[The Free Joy State]

Ah well

Oh yeah. Just ah well. You just worsened a pandemic and could have likely got someone killed. No big deal right? This kind of mindset is why there is likely going to be a second spike.

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh yeah. Just ah well. You just worsened a pandemic and could have likely got someone killed. No big deal right? This kind of mindset is why there is likely going to be a second spike.

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

Is it a minority view still ? If so, it is a significant or at least very loud minority...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Oh yeah. Just ah well. You just worsened a pandemic and could have likely got someone killed. No big deal right? This kind of mindset is why there is likely going to be a second spike.

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

High streets were very busy last night, at least around where I am. I don't think I'm in such a small minority on this issue.

[The Free Joy State]

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

Is it a minority view still ? If so, it is a significant or at least very loud minority...

Someone literally not caring if other people are infected due to their actions is a minority view.

The numbers of people in the street can mostly be attributed to feelings of invulnerability to the virus -- a foolish sentiment, but not the same.

[Hurdergaryp]

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

Is it a minority view still ? If so, it is a significant or at least very loud minority...

If the internet has taught me one thing, it is that the validity of your arguments are of less importance than the noise you can make in order to appear bigger than you actually are.

[Nuroblav]

Is it a minority view still ? If so, it is a significant or at least very loud minority...

If the internet has taught me one thing, it is that the validity of your arguments are of less importance than the noise you can make in order to appear bigger than you actually are.

I mean, that seemed to somehow work for Ben Shapiro so I guess you're right.

Oh yeah. Just ah well. You just worsened a pandemic and could have likely got someone killed. No big deal right? This kind of mindset is why there is likely going to be a second spike.

It would be nice if this thread did not so frequently get sidetracked onto one poster's minority views, no matter how repugnant they may be.

Perhaps, but I think it's nice to address and discuss these sort of opinions, so long as it doesn't get too sidetracked

Ah well

Possible lives put at risk and increased chances in a second wave: a small price to pay for a nice pint.

[The Alma Mater]

Possible lives put at risk and increased chances in a second wave: a small price to pay for a nice pint.

Honestly, that probably is how most people feel. Perhaps it would have been better to go for herd immunity so that people would have personally known many people who died. Now for most people the whole covid thing is something that happened to others somewhere - and not having a pint/seeing ones lover/being cooped up with the wife and kids is something that happened to them personally.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Possible lives put at risk and increased chances in a second wave: a small price to pay for a nice pint.

Honestly, that probably is how most people feel. Perhaps it would have been better to go for herd immunity so that people would have personally known many people who died. Now for most people the whole covid thing is something that happened to others somewhere - and not having a pint/seeing ones lover/being cooped up with the wife and kids is something that happened to them personally.

I know people who have had covid. Apparently I have had covid. I don't know how I got them or where they were found, but I have covid antibodies. Idk...do they provide them as freebies with takeaways or something?

[Agarntrop]

Honestly, that probably is how most people feel. Perhaps it would have been better to go for herd immunity so that people would have personally known many people who died. Now for most people the whole covid thing is something that happened to others somewhere - and not having a pint/seeing ones lover/being cooped up with the wife and kids is something that happened to them personally.

I know people who have had covid. Apparently I have had covid. I don't know how I got them or where they were found, but I have covid antibodies. Idk...do they provide them as freebies with takeaways or something?

Could you be more irresponsible

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I know people who have had covid. Apparently I have had covid. I don't know how I got them or where they were found, but I have covid antibodies. Idk...do they provide them as freebies with takeaways or something?

Could you be more irresponsible

I could. I could go out without the knowledge I have already got the antibodies.

[Ifreann]

Everything is opening too early, when i was heading to work for my first shift back on Friday i passed a bar on the falls road and it was fucking crammed full of people, no social distancing whatsoever, it was completely packed. Thankfully most customers in my shop were keeping their distance from one another and some were using the sanitation stations we had set up and i had access to face masks, visors and gloves as well as hand sanitiser if i needed it.

Why would you want to social distance in a pub though? Social distanced drinking sounds shit.

Exactly why pubs shouldn't have been opened.

[Agarntrop]

Could you be more irresponsible

I could. I could go out without the knowledge I have already got the antibodies.

What a ridiculous sarcastic statement.

Thing is, you are not an isolated incident.

People like you think they can do anything and everything by virtue of being rich.

Dominic Cummings and Stanley Johnson for examples.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I could. I could go out without the knowledge I have already got the antibodies.

What a ridiculous sarcastic statement.

Thing is, you are not an isolated incident.

People like you think they can do anything and everything by virtue of being rich.

Dominic Cummings and Stanley Johnson for examples.

They should be able to get away with it because they are people, not because they are rich. They do a valuable job of telling people that the lockdown is stupid, I applaud their actions.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What a ridiculous sarcastic statement.

Thing is, you are not an isolated incident.

People like you think they can do anything and everything by virtue of being rich.

Dominic Cummings and Stanley Johnson for examples.

They should be able to get away with it because they are people, not because they are rich. They do a valuable job of telling people that the lockdown is stupid, I applaud their actions.

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

[Agarntrop]

They should be able to get away with it because they are people, not because they are rich. They do a valuable job of telling people that the lockdown is stupid, I applaud their actions.

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

He is (supposedly ) a law student and still hasn't left his pathetic edgy phase that you're supposed to leave when you're like 14.

[Andsed]

They should be able to get away with it because they are people, not because they are rich. They do a valuable job of telling people that the lockdown is stupid, I applaud their actions.

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

[Agarntrop]

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

Not just fined, prosecuted in some cases.

[The Blaatschapen]

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

Not just wined, proseccoted in some cases.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

Not just fined, prosecuted in some cases.

I call for these... esteemed individuals to be liable for any damages caused by their negligence up to and including compensating for deaths caused.

[Agarntrop]

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

Not just wined, proseccoted in some cases.

Hm?

[Ostroeuropa]

One day late, but I just found out our response to the US declaration of independence included calling them smooth-brained.

"I believe the texture of no other brain upon the face of the earth will admit to the idea whatever it may be" (In reference to one of the points in the declaration of independence, and in reference to how only Americans have this brain texture that causes them to come up with such a stupid idea as "Inalienable right to life".).

The response is one long list of pedantry, missing the point, and pointing out they used the world "Inalienable" wrong and it doesn't mean that (even though it does today.).

[The Free Joy State]

Your ignorance legitimately makes you a danger to other people

Yep, I honestly think that those who violate social distancing and the lockdown should be fined. Common sense is clearly not enough for some people so fining them may be needed to incentive them to not be morons.

The problem with fines is that they disproportionately punish the poor. I wouldn't oppose fine system that was proportionate to earnings for wilful violation of social distance (not ones that are necessary -- i.e. to administer medical treatment, or emergency first aid, or undertake other duties that cannot be done further away if appropriate protective-wear is worn).

I'd suggest, though, an official warning for a first offence, then the proportional fine, then prosecution (unless the violation was especially flagrant).

If someone violates social distance (for no good reason, just because they don't care about observing social distance) and another person dies, depending on the circumstances, it may be possible to make a case for depraved indifference.

[Dumb Ideologies]

What a ridiculous sarcastic statement.

Thing is, you are not an isolated incident.

People like you think they can do anything and everything by virtue of being rich.

Dominic Cummings and Stanley Johnson for examples.

They should be able to get away with it because they are people, not because they are rich. They do a valuable job of telling people that the lockdown is stupid, I applaud their actions.

That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Second Wave Party.