UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Ostroeuropa]

The question is what sort of person she is, and I'm not really sure. I've seen nothing to indicate she wouldn't be negative on the issue, but if she were positive i'd assume she'd grown as a person and may even support her if it informed her DV policy to be more pro-men.

I'm not particularly interested in her being "pro-men" as if it's an either/or proposition the smacks of tribalism - just seek to counter stupid, ham-fisted policies that fail to accurately address the nuances of the issue and in many cases ignore that domestic violence is not a matter of a is always and only violent against b, and b is not always and only a victim of violence by a.

That strikes me as semantics, we want the same sort of policy, just different selling of it.

[Hirota]

hot take: tim farron's position was reasonable and moral given his circumstances and it's only due to the UK's insistence on ideological and cultural purity he got booted. essentially, he was punished for being a wrongthinker.

You either agree entirely with the whole doctrine, or show any sign of noncompliance and you are a heretic and must be hounded. See Trevor Phillips and JK Rowling.

[Souseiseki]

And really, knowing that the question was likely coming, he should have worked out an answer before he was asked; he allowed himself to get tied in semantic knots over the issue. So even if we argue that he was unfairly punished for his views, he also didn't show the political skills necessary to run a national political party that's struggling to get across its message after suffering a devastating election result.

hmm. i suppose that's fair. sadly if we've learned anything from the corbyn and johnson sagas it's that being slither out of anything is key.

[New Bremerton]

I keep hearing about this boyfriend slapping incident. What happened there?

She had an argument with her boyfriend over an extension lead and slapped him.

The careometer for MRAs and people concerned with it hit about a 2/10 given our understanding that an isolated act of violence isn't abuse. Mostly focused on commentary on how the media treated it differently and discussions on relationship stress and so on.

But then she had to go and try and justify it and make out he had it coming, and Jess Phillips and all the other people who shouldn't have a job went to bat for her, and the careometer went to 10/10, never voting for her, you've got enemies now mate.

I don't want some delusional misandrist running the country running her mouth off about how emotionally volatile women are justified in hitting their partners.

I'd also suggest you might hit something akin to BLM there, though feminists are likely to flip out over the comparison.

Nominate someone in the modern era who openly shills for police brutality against black people and you'll get riots and violence.

Nominate Layla Moran, and Lib Dem campaigners are going to be inundated with harassment and threats in a digital riot, and that reaction will be about as justified as if you nominated an open racist.

The police arrested her boyfriend. What the actual fuck.

What an openly and shamelessly misandrist POS, backed and defended by openly misandrist allies such as Jess Phillips. Since when did the Lib Dems become so ridiculously woke? Have they forgotten what liberalism actually stands for?

Speaking of feminist bias and double standards, I have yet to hear the subtly left-leaning, slightly woke, pro-feminist BBC interview just one critic of Black Lives Matter to get the other side of the story that most MSM networks have completely buried bar Fox News. Is there any wonder why MSM is frequently slapped with the label of "fake news"? Because failing to be consistently impartial and unbiased qualifies as such.

Now that coronavirus cases and deaths are falling, Boris now has a unique opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation. Let's hope the Jul. 4 reopening doesn't result in a spike.

[Auristania]

Now that coronavirus cases and deaths are falling, Boris now has a unique opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation. Let's hope the Jul. 4 reopening doesn't result in a spike.

If I were a Remainer, I would pour extra virus into the water supply just to discredit Boris.

[Salandriagado]

Now that coronavirus cases and deaths are falling, Boris now has a unique opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation. Let's hope the Jul. 4 reopening doesn't result in a spike.

If I were a Remainer, I would pour extra virus into the water supply just to discredit Boris.

What the fuck.

[Fartsniffage]

If I were a Remainer, I would pour extra virus into the water supply just to discredit Boris.

What the fuck.

God knows....

[Andsed]

Now that coronavirus cases and deaths are falling, Boris now has a unique opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation. Let's hope the Jul. 4 reopening doesn't result in a spike.

If I were a Remainer, I would pour extra virus into the water supply just to discredit Boris.

No. Just no in every possible way.

[Chan Island]

Now that coronavirus cases and deaths are falling, Boris now has a unique opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation. Let's hope the Jul. 4 reopening doesn't result in a spike.

If I were a Remainer, I would pour extra virus into the water supply just to discredit Boris.

I'm pretty sure the word you're looking for is something like 'terrorist' or 'psychopath', not remainer....

[The New California Republic]

Just ignore it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What the fuck.

God knows....

Someone just gave me a what the fuck moment. That's hard.

[Celritannia]

Realistically, who will care about it?

The Trump comparison is anything but apt.

People who care about DV against men. Not a majority to be sure, but a sizable enough minority to raise hell.

Oh, I know domestic violence against men happens. I am not disputing that.

However, point to me where this was domestic violence other than a small hard tap. Domestic Violence is built over time, either physically, mentally, or both.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

People who care about DV against men. Not a majority to be sure, but a sizable enough minority to raise hell.

Oh, I know domestic violence against men happens. I am not disputing that.

However, point to me where this was domestic violence other than a small hard tap. Domestic Violence is built over time, either physically, mentally, or both.

Would a man who hit his wife gain the same forgiving response from you, if it only happened once?

[Celritannia]

Oh, I know domestic violence against men happens. I am not disputing that.

However, point to me where this was domestic violence other than a small hard tap. Domestic Violence is built over time, either physically, mentally, or both.

Would a man who hit his wife gain the same forgiving response from you, if it only happened once?

Depending on the circumstance. I don't agree with hitting anyone for any reason.
But a hard tap is hardly a reason to keep going on about the action that happened a few years ago.

[Purgatio]

Would a man who hit his wife gain the same forgiving response from you, if it only happened once?

Depending on the circumstance. I don't agree with hitting anyone for any reason.
But a hard tap is hardly a reason to keep going on about the action that happened a few years ago.

Lol are we really trying to trivialise an act of domestic violence against an intimate partner as an "action that happened a few years ago"? I mean, this is minimising language at its finest. Calling DV an "action that happened a few years ago" is pretty on par with Brock Turner's father's infamous "20 minutes of action" quote.

Phrasing matters. DV against intimate partners is SERIOUS, and should be taken seriously. Calling it an "action that happened a few years ago" is such a trivialising characterisation of the impact it has on victims.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm honestly surprised someone senior in the party didn't have a quiet word telling her to put the party before her personal ambitions. Though I suppose they could have and were ignored.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Depending on the circumstance. I don't agree with hitting anyone for any reason.
But a hard tap is hardly a reason to keep going on about the action that happened a few years ago.

Lol are we really trying to trivialise an act of domestic violence against an intimate partner as an "action that happened a few years ago"? I mean, this is minimising language at its finest. Calling DV an "action that happened a few years ago" is pretty on par with Brock Turner's father's infamous "20 minutes of action" quote.

Phrasing matters. DV against intimate partners is SERIOUS, and should be taken seriously. Calling it an "action that happened a few years ago" is such a trivialising characterisation of the impact it has on victims.

And it's not like the people who are most likely to trivialise dv are the victims of dv, especially those victims of dv from powerful people who can make life very unpleasant for them if they tell all. It's quite possible it wasn't one single incident.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Somehow I doubt pubs are registered as data handlers for the purposes of the Data Protection Act.

You don't need to be registered: if you control personal data, then you are a data controller for DPA purposes (though they might instead be data processors if they're just acting as proxies for the government, not sure which framework they're using).

It's a good decade since I was a data controller and had to do DPA registrations, so I suspect I have forgotten a lot and things will have changed with the 2018 Act. My hazy recollection was that collecting and processing data then transferring it to someone else (the government) required registration.

[Hirota]

I'm not particularly interested in her being "pro-men" as if it's an either/or proposition the smacks of tribalism - just seek to counter stupid, ham-fisted policies that fail to accurately address the nuances of the issue and in many cases ignore that domestic violence is not a matter of a is always and only violent against b, and b is not always and only a victim of violence by a.

That strikes me as semantics, we want the same sort of policy, just different selling of it.

<shrugs> What you call semantics I call spin. Or optics, take your pick. If it helps improve things (and if they want to look good whilst doing it) then I'm happy either way.

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it's legit hard to tell whether priti is a legit horrible person or just a pathetic patsy who goes along with whatever the party tells her (we know in this government people are promoted based on loyalty and meekishness not skill or conviction) and got dumped into the mr. nasty office and now feels she needs to be a raving authoritarian minority slapping dickhead to play the part

e: that's not a political nickname but a commentary on how home secretaries are required to adopt a certain public persona as part of their role but i'm not going to spend an excessive amount of time getting into it unless i have to

I noticed in one of the coronavirus briefings that she seems to be literally incapable of saying the word "sorry". She was using some tortured phrasing to avoid saying "Sorry, could you repeat that".

I wondered why politicans in general don't apologise so I went looking. It appears that evidence suggests that it makes things worse.

In Priti Patels case in particular she already has enough people trying to take her down for not conforming to their preconceptions, they wouldn't be satisfied with an apology - they'd see it as an opportunity to take her down.

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Interesting projections from the IMF yesterday about economic growth in a possible post covid-19 world.

Obviously economic projections are vaguely comparable to reading tea leaves, but the IMF tends to be pretty good at it. They predict UK and Eurozone economies to shrink by roughly the same amount (with individual countries doing better and worse), and then growth in the UK in 2021 to slightly overtake Eurozone growth (again, with individual countries doing better and worse). Thats counting Brexit in those numbers.

The big winners seem to be china though, no shrinkage for 2020 and continued growth in 2021.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Letting Mitie and Interserve merge sounds like a bad idea. The government outsourcing field is too narrow as it is.

[EDIT] So what is kicking off in South London? 22 police injured in clashes with a large crowd. Sounds like something that could escalate into an eighties style riot.

[Agarntrop]

That strikes me as semantics, we want the same sort of policy, just different selling of it.

<shrugs> What you call semantics I call spin. Or optics, take your pick. If it helps improve things (and if they want to look good whilst doing it) then I'm happy either way.

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I noticed in one of the coronavirus briefings that she seems to be literally incapable of saying the word "sorry". She was using some tortured phrasing to avoid saying "Sorry, could you repeat that".

I wondered why politicans in general don't apologise so I went looking. It appears that evidence suggests that it makes things worse.

In Priti Patels case in particular she already has enough people trying to take her down for not conforming to their preconceptions, they wouldn't be satisfied with an apology - they'd see it as an opportunity to take her down.

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Interesting projections from the IMF yesterday about economic growth in a possible post covid-19 world.

Obviously economic projections are vaguely comparable to reading tea leaves, but the IMF tends to be pretty good at it. They predict UK and Eurozone economies to shrink by roughly the same amount (with individual countries doing better and worse), and then growth in the UK in 2021 to slightly overtake Eurozone growth (again, with individual countries doing better and worse). Thats counting Brexit in those numbers.

The big winners seem to be china though, no shrinkage for 2020 and continued growth in 2021.

Not with a no deal, which will happen.

We have been worst affected by the corona recession, and now we are also going to get a second, more prolonged one while everywhere else recovers, fucking great (/s).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Letting Mitie and Interserve merge sounds like a bad idea. The government outsourcing field is too narrow as it is.

[EDIT] So what is kicking off in South London? 22 police injured in clashes with a large crowd. Sounds like something that could escalate into an eighties style riot.

Sounds like the police decided to shut down a party, and people fought back.

[Ostroeuropa]

People who care about DV against men. Not a majority to be sure, but a sizable enough minority to raise hell.

Oh, I know domestic violence against men happens. I am not disputing that.

However, point to me where this was domestic violence other than a small hard tap. Domestic Violence is built over time, either physically, mentally, or both.

You're failing to understand the problem, which is the discussion of it, not the act itself.

[Hirota]

Not with a no deal, which will happen.

Really? Both sides seem happy to compromise on some of the sticking points

We have been worst affected by the corona recession, and now we are also going to get a second, more prolonged one while everywhere else recovers, fucking great (/s).

Not according to the IMF in both instances. But of course some rando with no evidence other than their own musings on an internet forum knows better right?

[EDIT] So what is kicking off in South London? 22 police injured in clashes with a large crowd. Sounds like something that could escalate into an eighties style riot.

Standard South London practice - I lived in Catford for 5 years and random illegal street parties happened a couple of times in my road alone. Add to that people are getting a little crazy being cooped up and it's a volatile cocktail.

[Agarntrop]

Not with a no deal, which will happen.

Really? Both sides seem happy to compromise on some of the sticking points

We have been worst affected by the corona recession, and now we are also going to get a second, more prolonged one while everywhere else recovers, fucking great (/s).

Not according to the IMF in both instances. But of course some rando with no evidence other than their own musings on an internet forum knows better right?

[EDIT] So what is kicking off in South London? 22 police injured in clashes with a large crowd. Sounds like something that could escalate into an eighties style riot.

Standard South London practice - I lived in Catford for 5 years and random illegal street parties happened a couple of times in my road alone. Add to that people are getting a little crazy being cooped up and it's a volatile cocktail.

You honestly believe that you can negotiate a complex trade deal in 5 months or that the UK will receieve an economic benefit from becoming more economically isolated than Mauritania?