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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

Yes
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No
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No *vote amended by GRU*
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Total votes : 83

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:46 am

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The Supreme Ayatollah of London, Sadiq “Genghis” Khan


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I just want to point out that I’m an American and I was trying to be satirical, but that’s also just what people mean when they talk about “taking their country back”. Some fellow asked what those counter-protesters meant by “we want our country back” and I’m just explaining it as they would think of it.

Also I thought calling Sadiq Khan “Genghis Khan” was pretty absurd... Like even for a racist, you wouldn’t want to make the man seem that powerful.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:02 am

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Postby Andsed » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:06 am


That´s just being a fucking wanker. Like I get being mad at the police. But fuck me man that is just so disrespectful.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:23 am


Is that what we call a 'cunt?' I heard that word and I think it's him, right?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:23 am



But I thought they were supposed to be defending the statues and memorials from damage.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:25 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Is that what we call a 'cunt?' I heard that word and I think it's him, right?

That would be the correct word yes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:29 am



And the number of people in the thread having a pop at Ellwood for virtue signalling for tweeting the photo. Fucking morons...

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:11 pm

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:"We want our country back"

...back from where or who?


Chavs, yobs, and unpatriotic traitors.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:20 pm

I think if the counterprotestors formed a shieldwall and sang with heart and fury while beating their shields, then they’d have a more better impact and prove more popular with our ancestors.
Rather than being odd blokes with tattoos and skinheads and using fake salutes.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:24 pm


You know we can read the article right? And see that is not what she said?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:24 pm



She said if people were "so infuriated" by seeing the statue it may be "safer" in a museum.


Sure looks like it's what she said.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:That wasn't what she said at all.


She said if people were "so infuriated" by seeing the statue it may be "safer" in a museum.


Sure looks like it's what she said.

"May be safer" not "calls for"
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:31 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:That wasn't what she said at all.


She said if people were "so infuriated" by seeing the statue it may be "safer" in a museum.


Sure looks like it's what she said.

That's like saying "if people were so infuriated by my car being parked on the road, it may be safer in a garage".
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:That wasn't what she said at all.


She said if people were "so infuriated" by seeing the statue it may be "safer" in a museum.


Sure looks like it's what she said.

Only if you really stretch the idea of calling for something. She did not say it should just that it if people are so angry it would be safer there.
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Postby Inishavon » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:34 pm

Apparently a group of Wrexham football fans travelled all the way up to Manchester specifically to batter some fascists at the anti-BLM protest there.

Some of the racists don't seem too happy.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:49 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Is that what we call a 'cunt?' I heard that word and I think it's him, right?


Correct. That's an individual who you can call a cunt.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:56 pm

OK, we're up to 100 arrests for today's violence.

Anyone have the numbers for how many people got nicked at BLM rallies this week for comparison?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:41 pm

So question, given that most of the initial enslavement of Africans was done my other Africans under systems that predate the Atlantic trade when do we get around to talking about that?

I've never really read much about the subject before now but the more I read the more (if you'll pardon the phrase) its seems like a white wash. That every race was complicit and trying to just hang it on one group of people wilfully ignores the whole truth.
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Postby The Marlborough » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:50 pm

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The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Shout-out to the "statue defenders" up in Newcastle who felt like they had to protect Grey's Monument from BLM supporters. It's 135 ft tall and is topped by a statue of Charles Grey, the Prime Minister who oversaw the abolition of slavery.


The achievements of Grey's government include the 1832 Great Reform Act, the 1833 Factory Act which restricted the use of child labour, and the 1833 Slavery Abolition Act.

Things named after him include Earl Grey Tea, Grey Street, Newcastle (which runs south from Grey's Monument), and one of Durham University's colleges.

It's difficult to see on what grounds his memory should be condemned by anti-racism campaigners given the Slavery Abolition Act, unless it's a belief that the apprenticeship clauses were slavery by another name, or that the compensation clauses unfairly rewarded slave owners.

Ah, it turns out to be the latter - it's because of “reparations paid to white ex-slave owners instead of black ex-slaves”.

However, as that same link points out, while Grey appeared on the first version of the online statue-toppling list, he was quickly removed from all subsequent versions of the list; ending slavery seems to have trumped the 1830s realpolitik of compensating the owners. So if so-called 'statue defenders' were defending Grey's Monument, they were working on outdated information.
I've still seen a lot of people online demanding thing's named after Grey be renamed. Then again these are the same types who want to be rid of a memorial to two brothers simply because they served in Africa with the British Army during the Victorian era.
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