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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:15 pm

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Was that the phrase that you used? I believe I was 'mansplaining rape trauma,' not 'mansplaining rape pregnancies.'

Mansplaining.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No, I'm awesome, but I'm not able to adopt a new reproductive system by the process of thought alone.
But I do understand what being raped feels like, the emotional impact of such a thing. What it does to your confidence, your sense of self-worth and your ability to be the same person going forward. I see why women wouldn't want a constant reminder of something so traumatic in their lives.

Is the trauma men feel from being raped not the same trauma? Is it lesser?
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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:16 pm

Can someone please explain to me how any of this relates to "mansplaining"?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:17 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Mansplaining.


Is the trauma men feel from being raped not the same trauma? Is it lesser?

"Women should not abort because I know how they feel."
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:21 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is the trauma men feel from being raped not the same trauma? Is it lesser?

"Women should not abort because I know how they feel."

I know what the experience of being raped is like.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:22 pm

Still not the subject of the thread.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:42 pm

This government continues to stumble from one cock up to the next

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53002968
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:48 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:This government continues to stumble from one cock up to the next

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53002968

It's like nature tells us having a country lead by right-wing parties with a blonde moron in charge is a bad idea.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:56 pm

In lighter news...

A former Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and her ex-partner have been jailed for a total of more than eight years for belonging to banned far-right group National Action (NA).

Alice Cutter was sentenced to three years and Mark Jones to five-and-a-half-years at Birmingham Crown Court for being members of the terrorist organisation.


https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:In lighter news...

A former Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and her ex-partner have been jailed for a total of more than eight years for belonging to banned far-right group National Action (NA).

Alice Cutter was sentenced to three years and Mark Jones to five-and-a-half-years at Birmingham Crown Court for being members of the terrorist organisation.


https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....


What is a slavic look? :unsure:
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:06 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:In lighter news...

A former Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and her ex-partner have been jailed for a total of more than eight years for belonging to banned far-right group National Action (NA).

Alice Cutter was sentenced to three years and Mark Jones to five-and-a-half-years at Birmingham Crown Court for being members of the terrorist organisation.


https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....

'Miss hitler?'

If you sign up for Miss Hitler, aren't you applying for watchlists?
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:08 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:In lighter news...



https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....

'Miss hitler?'

If you sign up for Miss Hitler, aren't you applying for watchlists?

It's a Russian originating beauty pageant that started on social media site VK - then got booted from there. They were planning to relaunch this year but a media campaign got their website host GoDaddy to take their site down.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:11 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:In lighter news...



https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....


What is a slavic look? :unsure:


Looks Eastern European.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:12 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:In lighter news...

A former Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and her ex-partner have been jailed for a total of more than eight years for belonging to banned far-right group National Action (NA).

Alice Cutter was sentenced to three years and Mark Jones to five-and-a-half-years at Birmingham Crown Court for being members of the terrorist organisation.


https://news.sky.com/story/alice-cutter ... p-12003405

I'm enjoying just how Slavic she looks....

Hitler? She doesn't look dead and on fire in a ditch outside the Führerbunker...

Also this is mandatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:16 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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What is a slavic look? :unsure:


Looks Eastern European.


That doesn't help.

What is Eastern European or slavic about her?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:20 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Looks Eastern European.


That doesn't help.

What is Eastern European or slavic about her?


Broad cheekbones, short chin, broad forehead.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:20 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:'Miss hitler?'

If you sign up for Miss Hitler, aren't you applying for watchlists?

It's a Russian originating beauty pageant that started on social media site VK - then got booted from there. They were planning to relaunch this year but a media campaign got their website host GoDaddy to take their site down.

Ugh, even when they're doing something super grim I'm really not comfortable with web infrastructure companies acting as morality police.
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Postby Lost Memories » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:41 pm

BLM organisers call off London event to avoid clashes with far right
Black Lives Matters activists say hate groups plan to target protests and ‘defend memorials’

Black Lives Matters organisers said they had decided to call off a planned protest at Hyde Park at 1pm on Saturday, warning that “many hate groups” were threatening the safety of those planning to come.

Far-right groups, with the support of extremists such as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who calls himself Tommy Robinson, plan to hold a “defend our memorials” event at Winston Churchill’s statue on Parliament Square, where considerable numbers could be present.
The extremists claim they intend to prevent the landmarks from being targeted after Churchill’s statue was daubed with graffiti describing the wartime prime minister as a racist on Sunday.

Another event – “Antifascists support Black Lives Matter” – is also due to take place on Saturday lunchtime. This event is supported by the Labour pressure group Momentum, among others.

Meanwhile, the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council, Martin Hewitt, said forces were braced for disorder to continue through the summer.

So is it like, each political shade has their own sponsored protest on the field?

Can't they just make politically sponsored Cricket teams and duke it out in a tournament, without being cringey, noisy and disruptive around the city?


(that aside, the state the UK is in, when "far-right extremists" are the ones defending monuments from vandalism)
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:44 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
That doesn't help.

What is Eastern European or slavic about her?


Broad cheekbones, short chin, broad forehead.


Ah, thank you :)
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:50 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:It's a Russian originating beauty pageant that started on social media site VK - then got booted from there. They were planning to relaunch this year but a media campaign got their website host GoDaddy to take their site down.

Ugh, even when they're doing something super grim I'm really not comfortable with web infrastructure companies acting as morality police.

It was breaking TOS from what I gather, just that web hosts hardly ever enforce TOS.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:28 pm

So apparently Boris thinks that an extra 35p a week in benefits will somehow end child poverty. I am not sure where he gets his numbers from.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:So apparently Boris thinks that an extra 35p a week in benefits will somehow end child poverty. I am not sure where he gets his numbers from.


It might end absolute poverty but not relative poverty. We ended absolute poverty under Blair, but if it's creeping back then there's a need for minor adjustment to bring it back into line.

This is actually something of a major policy division between pro-welfare conservatives and pro-welfare soc-dems and liberals. Conservatives *tend* to view welfare as a mechanism for ending absolute poverty (As in, "Got a house? got two sets of clothes? got food? You're good.") whereas the others *tend* to view welfare as a mechanism for ensuring social mobility and equal opportunities.

Absolute poverty is considerably more austere to deal with than relative poverty, so even minor adjustments like 35p a week can stave it off if we're straddling the line of it being managed. The problem is that if you're aiming for the bare minimum to stave off absolute poverty, minor changes can be devastating to people. If people have been 35p a week down for staving off absolute poverty until now, that means they're skipping a meal every week or so due to poverty.

Once that starts happening you're basically a year or two of inflation away from the problems manifesting in the health service and so on, or with crime, or riots.

I expect this is a "We noticed parents were skipping meals so they could feed their kids, so this should end that.".

When you're living on the breadline, an extra one pound forty pence a month is basically one meal. (Especially if it was because they had some money spare, but not enough to buy another meal).

The issue is, if we're *seriously that close* to absolute poverty being a problem again, then it's a major indication that we're in trouble when it comes to the next generation, as growing up on "Barely enough to get by" has major impacts on their education, wellbeing, and health.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:So apparently Boris thinks that an extra 35p a week in benefits will somehow end child poverty. I am not sure where he gets his numbers from.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:So apparently Boris thinks that an extra 35p a week in benefits will somehow end child poverty. I am not sure where he gets his numbers from.


And now we know how much child support he pays for his many children....

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:46 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -of-talent

Shocking when you appoint a cabinet of morons, they do moronic things.
Boris, please stop making me think that Britain's best hope right now is Michael fucking Gove.
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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:20 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/11/the-guardian-view-on-the-cabinet-a-paucity-of-talent

Shocking when you appoint a cabinet of morons, they do moronic things.
Boris, please stop making me think that Britain's best hope right now is Michael fucking Gove.

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You get what you voted for. :roll:
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