UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Not fast enough.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

This is the Cenotaph in London.



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[The New California Republic]

Not fast enough.

The response times seemed fine.

[Celritannia]

So are memes damaging to modern culture now?

I am also not commending nor condoning what the protesters did. What's done is done. It was one specific statue torn down due to the history of the individual. I highly doubt it will lead to further statues being pulled down, as you seem to think it will.

It's not about Americanisation, it's about the problems that have happened.
While it may be a situation in America, it's a concern people have over here as a way to show the US government that the British people are also against what the US is doing. Should all countries just remain in a little bubble?

Star Wars is still watched and enjoyed today, just because it was made years ago does not mean the impact of it is still seen.
Also, please provide evidence YA Novels have lead to an increase of people protesting, along with evidence to show video games do lead to violence.

A peaceful protest in solidarity with the victims of American police brutality? Fine. Severely injuring police officers and desecrating memorials based on a dangerous and false luxury ideology imported wholesale with no thought to the reality of life in this country is some ways off that.

No chance we're at the end of the line with these idiotic statue fights either. There's a Rhodes Must Fall protest occurring tomorrow in front of a statue of Rhodes at Oriel College, Oxford. We've seen what happened with the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square already.

Yes, (internet) memes are a damaging part of modern culture. The YA comment was an observation, I have no scientific studies on hand to back it up. Video games debate is off-topic; we'll agree to disagree.

Injuring police officers is indeed wrong, but that's a small minority.
So the UK should deny its act in the Atlantic Slave Trade?
The racism is here just as much as the US.

AS NCR has mentioned, the statue of Churchill has been sprayed by graffiti multiple times before this.
Again, I highly doubt these will be to the same degree as the statue in Bristol. Worrying over nothing.

No, memes are not damaging to the culture, there no evidence. Nor is there any evidence to suggest YA novels have damaged society, or video games cause violence. Those are opinions with no grounded evidence. You are pulling at straws to find a fault, when the fault is simply systematic racism.
Also I was using the video games argument to compare to your unfounded claim that YA novels have increased these ideals of protests, so it is relevant.

[Thanatttynia]

Injuring police officers is indeed wrong, but that's a small minority.
So the UK should deny its act in the Atlantic Slave Trade?
The racism is here just as much as the US.

AS NCR has mentioned, the statue of Churchill has been sprayed by graffiti multiple times before this.
Again, I highly doubt these will be to the same degree as the statue in Bristol. Worrying over nothing.

No, memes are not damaging to the culture, there no evidence. Nor is there any evidence to suggest YA novels have damaged society, or video games cause violence. Those are opinions with no grounded evidence. You are pulling at straws to find a fault, when the fault is simply systematic racism.
Also I was using the video games argument to compare to your unfounded claim that YA novels have increased these ideals of protests, so it is relevant.

I think a claim like 'racism is as bad in the UK as it is in the US' is in greater need of sources than 'YA popular culture has had an effect on young people' ?

I doubt anyone has done a study on the latter - for anecdotal evidence look at the proliferation of protest signs featuring popular YA franchises; the well-known inability of many young people to recognise e.g. Biblical allusions and instead speak of things in relation to Harry Potter; the culture wars happening within the publishing world (been going on for a few years now.)

If you recognise that culture can affect people's political beliefs I don't see why it's such a stretch to suggest that basically the most successful publishing phenomenon ever and its numerous also successful descendants (esp. on the big screen) have had an effect on the cohort of the population they were marketed to and most popular with? But this is a stupid argument to be having.

I never said anything even remotely like 'the UK should deny its role in the transatlantic slave trade' ? If you want to argue with my position feel free, but there's no need to just invent positions for me and then get mad at them. As for 'worrying over nothing' I take your point because I used to be exactly the same lol, I will just say that if you think for a minute you're outside of the tent pissing in you should prob be made aware asap that we're both inside of a much bigger tent (;

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Theresa May and Windrush spring to my mind.

Though I do think improvements were made in the UK after the riots of the eighties, the Scarman Report had a definite impact.

[Thanatttynia]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

[Dumb Ideologies]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

[The Free Joy State]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

It'll be interesting to see if it accomplishes anything or if, as commissions tend to be, it becomes an exercise in navel-gazing and mutual back-patting.

It's appropriate to consider whose legacies are lauded, whose should be moved to an educational establishment to be considered in context (which is what I would have preferred for the Colston statue -- for it to be placed in a museum dedicated to the history of the slave trade), and whose (as with recent public figures who are proven to have committed heinous acts, such as Saville) should be stricken from public streets.

But, simultaneously, our history is what it is, and we must acknowledge the context of where we've been -- if only to understand where we want to go.

[Loben The 2nd]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

Don’t call it a grave, call it the future they choose.

[South Reinkalistan]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

Our culture and our heritage is primarily based in sentiment, and is thus unnecessary.

[Dumb Ideologies]

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

Our culture and our heritage is primarily based in sentiment, and is thus unnecessary.

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

[The Alma Mater]

Injuring police officers is indeed wrong, but that's a small minority.
So the UK should deny its act in the Atlantic Slave Trade?
The racism is here just as much as the US.

AS NCR has mentioned, the statue of Churchill has been sprayed by graffiti multiple times before this.
Again, I highly doubt these will be to the same degree as the statue in Bristol. Worrying over nothing.

No, memes are not damaging to the culture, there no evidence. Nor is there any evidence to suggest YA novels have damaged society, or video games cause violence. Those are opinions with no grounded evidence. You are pulling at straws to find a fault, when the fault is simply systematic racism.
Also I was using the video games argument to compare to your unfounded claim that YA novels have increased these ideals of protests, so it is relevant.

I think a claim like 'racism is as bad in the UK as it is in the US' is in greater need of sources than 'YA popular culture has had an effect on young people' ?

Why ? Britains history is not exactly filled with racial equality and respect for other cultures. Why assume that has magically changed in the past few decades ?

[Agarntrop]

Our culture and our heritage is primarily based in sentiment, and is thus unnecessary.

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

so has this thread has now devolved into "hurr durr muslims bad D: london more like londonistan haha : D"?

[Loben The 2nd]

Our culture and our heritage is primarily based in sentiment, and is thus unnecessary.

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

Never underestimate the power of third world butthurt.

[Dumb Ideologies]

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

so has this thread has now devolved into "hurr durr muslims bad D: london more like londonistan haha : D"?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Astounding comprehension and critique old bean.

[Thanatttynia]

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

It's scary. I want to say this is better than mobs pulling statues down but it's difficult to see how a committee made up of 'arts, community and council leaders, as well as historians' when this ideology is universally shared by such elites will act as anything other than a red-stamp press. It gives the destruction of heritage the illusion of legitimacy.

Sadiq Khan forms 'Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm' to 'ensure that the capital's history is commemorated in the most appropriate way' - 'it will be wide in scope'

It'll be interesting to see if it accomplishes anything or if, as commissions tend to be, it becomes an exercise in navel-gazing and mutual back-patting.

It's appropriate to consider whose legacies are lauded, whose should be moved to an educational establishment to be considered in context (which is what I would have preferred for the Colston statue -- for it to be placed in a museum dedicated to the history of the slave trade), and whose (as with recent public figures who are proven to have committed heinous acts, such as Saville) should be stricken from public streets.

But, simultaneously, our history is what it is, and we must acknowledge the context of where we've been -- if only to understand where we want to go.

Well, let's hope it accomplishes nothing. I find it hard to believe that when there is literally nothing stopping them; I don't see a single element of the establishment with any proven attachment to the preservation of our heritage.

[Loben The 2nd]

London has formally surrendered. I do not have words sufficient to express my disgust with minority race-baiters and those white liberals who are complicit in the replacement of our culture and heritage for woke points.

It's scary. I want to say this is better than mobs pulling statues down but it's difficult to see how a committee made up of 'arts, community and council leaders, as well as historians' when this ideology is universally shared by such elites will act as anything other than a red-stamp press. It gives the destruction of heritage the illusion of legitimacy.

It'll be interesting to see if it accomplishes anything or if, as commissions tend to be, it becomes an exercise in navel-gazing and mutual back-patting.

It's appropriate to consider whose legacies are lauded, whose should be moved to an educational establishment to be considered in context (which is what I would have preferred for the Colston statue -- for it to be placed in a museum dedicated to the history of the slave trade), and whose (as with recent public figures who are proven to have committed heinous acts, such as Saville) should be stricken from public streets.

But, simultaneously, our history is what it is, and we must acknowledge the context of where we've been -- if only to understand where we want to go.

Well, let's hope it accomplishes nothing. I find it hard to believe that when there is literally nothing stopping them; I don't see a single element of the establishment with any proven attachment to the preservation of our heritage.

Because your establishment views your heritage as racist.

[Vassenor]

So how does acknowledging the darker side of our heritage destroy our heritage?

[Thanatttynia]

I think a claim like 'racism is as bad in the UK as it is in the US' is in greater need of sources than 'YA popular culture has had an effect on young people' ?

Why ? Britains history is not exactly filled with racial equality and respect for other cultures. Why assume that has magically changed in the past few decades ?

Did I say it was? For racism to be as bad in the UK as in the US we would need to be in pretty dire straits. Is that what you believe?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Us Anglo nations have all the bad luck.

The black armband view of history is more prevalent here than anywhere else tbh.

[Loben The 2nd]

Us Anglo nations have all the bad luck.

The black armband view of history is more prevalent here than anywhere else tbh.

Wonder why.

[South Reinkalistan]

Our culture and our heritage is primarily based in sentiment, and is thus unnecessary.

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

Not really. I could care less about cultural heritage -- what I do care about is the systemic racism in our society and how to fix it.

[Thanatttynia]

So how does acknowledging the darker side of our heritage destroy our heritage?

No one's 'acknowledging' anything. This isn't a committee dedicated to 'acknowledging' the darker sides of our heritage; we've had plenty of them and permanent groups continually do the same work. I'm all for historiographical nuance. This is a committee dedicated to the scrubbing of our heritage in service of a political ideology

[Loben The 2nd]

And yet black culture and heritage needs to be elevated and celebrated in its place. It must be great not to be white and therefore be a Real Boy.

Not really. I could care less about cultural heritage -- what I do care about is the systemic racism in our society and how to fix it.

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