UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Celritannia]

I'm not even touching the telegraph or the express.

Yes, this may be happening. But Culture and race are not the same. It's all about education as I said.

So your ideas are still racist because you say race and culture are the same, despite being incorrect.

'I'm not going to read a source'
If I can read the fucking Guardian you can read the Express. Get you head out of your fucking arse.
And how fucking dare you spend the past few exchanges here saying it won't happen when all it took was for you to click on some links, did it not occur to you to think 'hmm, I'm going to have a look'.? All you were doing was delaying the debate and it is what happens EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME THIS EVER FUCKING COMES UP.

Step one it's racist. Step two its not true/absurd. Step three fine it is true but it still racist.
For fucks sake.

Telegraph and express are automatic racist papers, so I highly doubt they will be unbiased.

You are saying British culture will be replaced, this is incorrect.

Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.

Are you also saying veganism and vegetarianism is going to end fish and chips and pork pies?
Or how about teetotal people from not drinking alcohol?

[Agarntrop]

how is the express even comparable to the guardian lmao

[Celritannia]

So is every foreign expert cheap?

I already posted something about cockneys. What other "displacement" cultures are there exactly?

Cheaper than a native? Absolutely. Because you don't have to pay for their childcare or schooling to produce them, that's where the entire "Immigrants are good for the economy" argument comes from. They're saying the same thing I am, but without the logical conclusion of it, that it means our ruling class has no incentive to invest in the populace. The drive toward austerity and neoliberalism on roids occurred at the same time as looser migration because they are reliant on eachother to work.

I replied to your point about cockneys and how it isn't sufficient rebuttal.

Alright, please provide evidence to say foreign experts are cheaper than domestic ones.

Investing in the populace happens. You cannot blame immigration to say that's why it does not happen. There is no evidence.

[Ostroeuropa]

how is the express even comparable to the guardian lmao

It's comparable. The guardian is anti-white and anti-male and similarly pushes conspiracy theories and fringe ideologies in support of those viewpoints.

To my knowledge, the guardian is worse. The express has not printed "Why it's okay to hate Muslims" as an article, while the guardian has "Why it's okay to hate men" as one.

[Celritannia]

how is the express even comparable to the guardian lmao

It's comparable. The guardian is anti-white and anti-male and similarly pushes conspiracy theories and fringe ideologies in support of those viewpoints.

To my knowledge, the guardian is worse. The express has not printed "Why it's okay to hate Muslims" as an article, while the guardian has "Why it's okay to hate men" as one.

Everything to you is anti-white, apparently.

[Cambrian Albany]

'I'm not going to read a source'
If I can read the fucking Guardian you can read the Express. Get you head out of your fucking arse.
And how fucking dare you spend the past few exchanges here saying it won't happen when all it took was for you to click on some links, did it not occur to you to think 'hmm, I'm going to have a look'.? All you were doing was delaying the debate and it is what happens EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME THIS EVER FUCKING COMES UP.

Step one it's racist. Step two its not true/absurd. Step three fine it is true but it still racist.
For fucks sake.

Telegraph and express are automatic racist papers, so I highly doubt they will be unbiased.

You are saying British culture will be replaced, this is incorrect.

Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.

Are you also saying veganism and vegetarianism is going to end fish and chips and pork pies?
Or how about teetotal people from not drinking alcohol?

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

[Ostroeuropa]

Cheaper than a native? Absolutely. Because you don't have to pay for their childcare or schooling to produce them, that's where the entire "Immigrants are good for the economy" argument comes from. They're saying the same thing I am, but without the logical conclusion of it, that it means our ruling class has no incentive to invest in the populace. The drive toward austerity and neoliberalism on roids occurred at the same time as looser migration because they are reliant on eachother to work.

I replied to your point about cockneys and how it isn't sufficient rebuttal.

Alright, please provide evidence to say foreign experts are cheaper than domestic ones.

Investing in the populace happens. You cannot blame immigration to say that's why it does not happen. There is no evidence.

You're not understanding the basic claim being made here. Foreign experts are cheaper because we don't have to educate them with our tax money. That is axiomatically true. Demanding evidence for it, if you're serious, suggests you don't understand the conversation we're having. Either that or you're just pulling a tired strategy of demanding sources for even the most banal of claims to wear people out.

Once you understand that, it follows that if you build your economy on relying on people *who you don't need to educate*, then your economy no longer relies on educating people. That, again, is axiomatically true. Once it's no longer necessary for the economy, it becomes par for the course for it to be sacrificed. (yes, by the Tories).

[Agarntrop]

how is the express even comparable to the guardian lmao

It's comparable. The guardian is anti-white and anti-male and similarly pushes conspiracy theories and fringe ideologies in support of those viewpoints.

To my knowledge, the guardian is worse. The express has not printed "Why it's okay to hate Muslims" as an article, while the guardian has "Why it's okay to hate men" as one.

lol

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

The government underfund schools and health because they are Tories. Nothing to do with race.

It occurs under left-neoliberal governments too as well as right-neoliberal ones.

That's because they're neoliberals.

Exactly. If they don't require schooling, have to pay for healthcare but still pay full taxes...

They would make the government better off, not worse.

That's exactly the point. That's why the government underfunds healthcare and schooling. Because the economy can run without funding them, provided you import foreign labour.

If it's a choice between investing 50 million in training new doctors, or giving a 50 million tax cut and hiring foreign ones, they do the latter. Immigration allows our government to neglect the native population and free ride on other nations properly investing in their populace.


This means less opportunities for native whites.

Then why don't they just migrate to China or Japan or India or something? Simple.

[Celritannia]

Alright, please provide evidence to say foreign experts are cheaper than domestic ones.

Investing in the populace happens. You cannot blame immigration to say that's why it does not happen. There is no evidence.

You're not understanding the basic claim being made here. Foreign experts are cheaper because we don't have to educate them with our tax money. That is axiomatically true. Demanding evidence for it, if you're serious, suggests you don't understand the conversation we're having. Either that or you're just pulling a tired strategy of demanding sources for even the most banal of claims to wear people out.

Once you understand that, it follows that if you build your economy on relying on people *who you don't need to educate*, then your economy no longer relies on educating people. That, again, is axiomatically true. Once it's no longer necessary for the economy, it becomes par for the course for it to be sacrificed.

They were educated in another country, and they left, so that country is losing someone they paid taxes for.

Experts also cost, which is what you are forgetting too. And some experts from other countries may have their prices for certain services high. So you are forgetting that.

[Agarntrop]

Telegraph and express are automatic racist papers, so I highly doubt they will be unbiased.

You are saying British culture will be replaced, this is incorrect.

Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.

Are you also saying veganism and vegetarianism is going to end fish and chips and pork pies?
Or how about teetotal people from not drinking alcohol?

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

does the guardian have headlines fearmongering, manipulating and clickbaiting people into having certain opinions and is it connected to corporate neoliberal lobbyists whom love to play the divide and conquer card all the time by instructing their propaganda outlets to blame immigrants for the problems THEY are responsible for?

[Celritannia]

Telegraph and express are automatic racist papers, so I highly doubt they will be unbiased.

You are saying British culture will be replaced, this is incorrect.

Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.

Are you also saying veganism and vegetarianism is going to end fish and chips and pork pies?
Or how about teetotal people from not drinking alcohol?

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

Guardian has won several award for being an unbaised UK paper, but w/e.

No, you didn't. Culture is not the same as race. You expressed your opinion.
White people will marry brown or black people, that means little.

I ceded a point about ethnicity will become one, but nothing about fucking culture.

So? That's how businesses work.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're not understanding the basic claim being made here. Foreign experts are cheaper because we don't have to educate them with our tax money. That is axiomatically true. Demanding evidence for it, if you're serious, suggests you don't understand the conversation we're having. Either that or you're just pulling a tired strategy of demanding sources for even the most banal of claims to wear people out.

Once you understand that, it follows that if you build your economy on relying on people *who you don't need to educate*, then your economy no longer relies on educating people. That, again, is axiomatically true. Once it's no longer necessary for the economy, it becomes par for the course for it to be sacrificed.

They were educated in another country, and they left, so that country is losing someone they paid taxes for.

Experts also cost, which is what you are forgetting too. And some experts from other countries may have their prices for certain services high. So you are forgetting that.

That's right. The other country paid for their education, and we didn't. Because we don't have to pay for education if we rely on foreign experts. You're starting to catch on to why allowing this kind of immigration is nefarious. It steals money from third world countries taxpayers who paid to train the person, and underfunds our own native population, all to provide benefit to the richest westerners in the form of taxbreaks.

They might cost, but that's also true of British ones. The only sureity is that it's cheaper to hire foreign experts because we don't have to pay for their educations.

[Agarntrop]

They were educated in another country, and they left, so that country is losing someone they paid taxes for.

Experts also cost, which is what you are forgetting too. And some experts from other countries may have their prices for certain services high. So you are forgetting that.

That's right. The other country paid for their education, and we didn't. Because we don't have to pay for education if we rely on foreign experts. You're starting to catch on to why allowing this kind of immigration is nefarious. It steals money from third world countries taxpayers who paid to train the person, and underfunds our own native population, all to provide benefit to the richest westerners in the form of taxbreaks.

They might cost, but that's also true of British ones. The only sureity is that it's cheaper to hire foreign experts because we don't have to pay for their educations.

You have jumped ship from race jargon to genuine concern for some reason. Csn you please stay on the latter?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

They were educated in another country, and they left, so that country is losing someone they paid taxes for.

Experts also cost, which is what you are forgetting too. And some experts from other countries may have their prices for certain services high. So you are forgetting that.

That's right. The other country paid for their education, and we didn't. Because we don't have to pay for education if we rely on foreign experts. You're starting to catch on to why allowing this kind of immigration is nefarious. It steals money from third world countries taxpayers who paid to train the person, and underfunds our own native population, all to provide benefit to the richest westerners in the form of taxbreaks.

They might cost, but that's also true of British ones. The only sureity is that it's cheaper to hire foreign experts because we don't have to pay for their educations.

Again, why not just emigrate to Japan or China? They'll have expert vacancies if their experts go to the UK, Germany or the USA.

[Celritannia]

They were educated in another country, and they left, so that country is losing someone they paid taxes for.

Experts also cost, which is what you are forgetting too. And some experts from other countries may have their prices for certain services high. So you are forgetting that.

That's right. The other country paid for their education, and we didn't. Because we don't have to pay for education if we rely on foreign experts. You're starting to catch on to why allowing this kind of immigration is nefarious. It steals money from third world countries taxpayers who paid to train the person, and underfunds our own native population, all to provide benefit to the richest westerners in the form of taxbreaks.

They might cost, but that's also true of British ones. The only sureity is that it's cheaper to hire foreign experts because we don't have to pay for their educations.

That wasn't my point at all.

I pointed out how the country an expert was educated in lost out on someone they trained.

What about British Experts who go to other countries, should we force them to stay?

So all Foreign experts come from third world countries?

No it does not under-fund our country either FFS.

[Cambrian Albany]

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

does the guardian have headlines fearmongering, manipulating and clickbaiting people into having certain opinions and is it connected to corporate neoliberal lobbyists whom love to play the divide and conquer card all the time by instructing their propaganda outlets to blame immigrants for the problems THEY are responsible for?

If you want to play the game of fucking stupid guardian articles that’s a very fun game.

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

Guardian has won several award for being an unbaised UK paper, but w/e.

No, you didn't. Culture is not the same as race. You expressed your opinion.
White people will marry brown or black people, that means little.

I ceded a point about ethnicity will become one, but nothing about fucking culture.

So? That's how businesses work.

Yes I did I made a pretty detailed argument. Your constant feigned ignorance on what I have previously said or facts I have previously shown is really starting to curdle my blood. You’re not interested in a discussion you just want to call someone a racist and have no interest in engaging in the nitty gritty.

Yes you did: ‘ Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.’

[Celritannia]

Guardian has won several award for being an unbaised UK paper, but w/e.

No, you didn't. Culture is not the same as race. You expressed your opinion.
White people will marry brown or black people, that means little.

I ceded a point about ethnicity will become one, but nothing about fucking culture.

So? That's how businesses work.

Yes I did I made a pretty detailed argument. Your constant feigned ignorance on what I have previously said or facts I have previously shown is really starting to curdle my blood. You’re not interested in a discussion you just want to call someone a racist and have no interest in engaging in the nitty gritty.

Yes you did: ‘ Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.’

Because you are being racist that race and culture are the same, that is incorrect.
You said yourself, you can;t have British Patriotic Muslims, which is incorrect.

[Cambrian Albany]

Yes I did I made a pretty detailed argument. Your constant feigned ignorance on what I have previously said or facts I have previously shown is really starting to curdle my blood. You’re not interested in a discussion you just want to call someone a racist and have no interest in engaging in the nitty gritty.

Yes you did: ‘ Because everything you stipulate is based on race displacement, race is not being displaced.’

Because you are being racist that race and culture are the same, that is incorrect.
You said yourself, you can;t have British Patriotic Muslims, which is incorrect.

Incorrect based on what?

[Celritannia]

Because you are being racist that race and culture are the same, that is incorrect.
You said yourself, you can;t have British Patriotic Muslims, which is incorrect.

Incorrect based on what?

Assuming something that isn't true. I have pointed out patriotic Muslims. And any ethnic groups of the UK can be patriotic to the UK.

[Greed and Death]

How are the Telegraph and Express racist papers? What and the Guardian doesn’t have an obvious progressive bias? Hence why I linked them all. The fact you ‘refuse’ to read certain publications speaks more about you than it does me. Everything is bias, every writer has an agenda and opinion and even if they don’t the editor will.

But culture will be replaced and I explained why yesterday and you’ve given no decent argument as to the contrary. And so will race, you just fucking ceded that point a post ago you absolute salad.

No those things in and of themselves might not end fish and chips or alcohol but if there is no demand for them they might disappear or become harder to acquire if vegans or teetotals increase.

does the guardian have headlines fearmongering, manipulating and clickbaiting people into having certain opinions and is it connected to corporate neoliberal lobbyists whom love to play the divide and conquer card all the time by instructing their propaganda outlets to blame immigrants for the problems THEY are responsible for?

Yes I have seen those pictures of children frolicking and people singing Kumbaya. *shutters*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG3uea-Hvy4

[Agarntrop]

does the guardian have headlines fearmongering, manipulating and clickbaiting people into having certain opinions and is it connected to corporate neoliberal lobbyists whom love to play the divide and conquer card all the time by instructing their propaganda outlets to blame immigrants for the problems THEY are responsible for?

If you want to play the game of fucking stupid guardian articles that’s a very fun game.

Go ahead, play it. Guardian has some fairly stupid wokeshit, but nothing outdoes the express in absurdity, lies and fearmongering

[Reploid Productions]

Get you head out of your fucking arse.

you absolute salad.

You have been around plenty long enough and had more than enough run-ins with moderation to know better, Greater Loegria. Given you persist in the exact same sort of behavior that's cost you two nations and countless warnings and bans over the past two years, you can enjoy a nice vacation from the Nationstates forums.

*** Cambrian Albany, 2-week ban for flaming. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[The New California Republic]

...anyway, moving on...

I wonder if the virtual Parliament that is going to replace actual Parliament during the current crisis will be any less useless?

[Diahon]

...anyway, moving on...

I wonder if the virtual Parliament that is going to replace actual Parliament during the current crisis will be any less useless?

it will be a different kind of destructively useless, yes