UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Gormwood]

I have ways of making Windsor soup taste nice. The original ingredients just need a few herbs and spices to liven them up and (and this is the important bit) you've got to cook them properly.

Careful, you don't want them foreign spices in there.

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much broth".

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You just don't like how I summarised them that you don't like non-white British people living in the UK?

No, I made plenty of points that you've failed to address. That we were never asked is a fact. That Enoch Powell was well supported at the time is a fact, that the establishment decided to ignore the concerns of people at the time is a fact, that Britain would be aesthetically different following our descent from homogeneity is a fact.

If you don't think that any of what I say, or the outcomes rather are bad, fair enough. Just be honest about it. If you're fine with Britain becoming a multicultural rainbow nation with no particular identity then fine. But just say so.

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

[Fartsniffage]

No, I made plenty of points that you've failed to address. That we were never asked is a fact. That Enoch Powell was well supported at the time is a fact, that the establishment decided to ignore the concerns of people at the time is a fact, that Britain would be aesthetically different following our descent from homogeneity is a fact.

If you don't think that any of what I say, or the outcomes rather are bad, fair enough. Just be honest about it. If you're fine with Britain becoming a multicultural rainbow nation with no particular identity then fine. But just say so.

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

You can have traditional British curry and like it. Chicken, swede, sultanas, half a teaspoon of curry powder and water.

[Cambrian Albany]

No, I made plenty of points that you've failed to address. That we were never asked is a fact. That Enoch Powell was well supported at the time is a fact, that the establishment decided to ignore the concerns of people at the time is a fact, that Britain would be aesthetically different following our descent from homogeneity is a fact.

If you don't think that any of what I say, or the outcomes rather are bad, fair enough. Just be honest about it. If you're fine with Britain becoming a multicultural rainbow nation with no particular identity then fine. But just say so.

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

You can have traditional British curry and like it. Chicken, swede, sultanas, half a teaspoon of curry powder and water.

That sounds absolutely vile. We all need Uncle Ali's special spicy sauce in our lives.

I'm not even joking, that is what the bloke who runs the place has decided to call it.

[Celritannia]

You just don't like how I summarised them that you don't like non-white British people living in the UK?

No, I made plenty of points that you've failed to address. That we were never asked is a fact. That Enoch Powell was well supported at the time is a fact, that the establishment decided to ignore the concerns of people at the time is a fact, that Britain would be aesthetically different following our descent from homogeneity is a fact.

If you don't think that any of what I say, or the outcomes rather are bad, fair enough. Just be honest about it. If you're fine with Britain becoming a multicultural rainbow nation with no particular identity then fine. But just say so.

And what about people now? They don't care about Enoch Powell.

Again, point to actual evidence instead of a racist opinion rant.

Fact: the UK is still 87% White British, which makes Powell incorrect, just like your points.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

And kebabs. For only 4 pounds. Open until 4 AM as well.

[Celritannia]

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

The best periods were places whose history had multicultural heritage.

[Fartsniffage]

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

And kebabs. For only 4 pounds. Open until 4 AM as well.

And not a single feral cat in the whole area...

[Gormwood]

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

And kebabs. For only 4 pounds. Open until 4 AM as well.

He probably wants to remove that.

[Kragholm Free States]

But what about Uncle Ali's curry house? I like that place, they sell some really nice food. You can't ban that.

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

Ok, let's compromise: Uncle Ali has to legally change his name to Big Dave, in exchange for a licence to produce and distribute foreign foodstuffs. Sound fair?

[Gormwood]

And kebabs. For only 4 pounds. Open until 4 AM as well.

And not a single feral cat in the whole area...

Talk about eating-

[Cambrian Albany]

No, I made plenty of points that you've failed to address. That we were never asked is a fact. That Enoch Powell was well supported at the time is a fact, that the establishment decided to ignore the concerns of people at the time is a fact, that Britain would be aesthetically different following our descent from homogeneity is a fact.

If you don't think that any of what I say, or the outcomes rather are bad, fair enough. Just be honest about it. If you're fine with Britain becoming a multicultural rainbow nation with no particular identity then fine. But just say so.

And what about people now? They don't care about Enoch Powell.

Again, point to actual evidence instead of a racist opinion rant.

Fact: the UK is still 87% White British.

But why were they ignored at the time? People only think differently now because the media and progressives went ape and children are told in school how awful he was. But had the government taken action then and there or perhaps he had been PM, Britain might be very different.

[Gormwood]

Hmmmm. Difficult one on the weighing scales that isn't it? Preservation of a nation and its heritage... or... curry? Hm.

Ok, let's compromise: Uncle Ali has to legally change his name to Big Dave, in exchange for a licence to produce and distribute foreign foodstuffs. Sound fair?

Cultural appropriation and whitewashing combo platter.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And kebabs. For only 4 pounds. Open until 4 AM as well.

And not a single feral cat in the whole area...

Wouldn't surprise me, the guy is mental. He's about 85, won't answer to anything but 'Uncle Ali' (despite not being called Ali), and will periodically give you freebies, which are sometimes small starters but on one memorable occasion I remember was once a set meal for 1.

[Fartsniffage]

Ok, let's compromise: Uncle Ali has to legally change his name to Big Dave, in exchange for a licence to produce and distribute foreign foodstuffs. Sound fair?

Cultural appropriation and whitewashing combo platter.

We conquered a third of the globe in search of better food and tea. It's as British as it gets...

[Celritannia]

And what about people now? They don't care about Enoch Powell.

Again, point to actual evidence instead of a racist opinion rant.

Fact: the UK is still 87% White British.

But why were they ignored at the time? People only think differently now because the media and progressives went ape and children are told in school how awful he was. But had the government taken action then and there or perhaps he had been PM, Britain might be very different.

There were even less people of other ethnicity from the Commonwealth in the UK back then. It was only a large thing because the rich upper class folk told the lower class folk they want to take their money and jobs.

Using the "other" tactic to bring division to the working class voters.

Were you even alive then?

[Fartsniffage]

And not a single feral cat in the whole area...

Wouldn't surprise me, the guy is mental. He's about 85, won't answer to anything but 'Uncle Ali' (despite not being called Ali), and will periodically give you freebies, which are sometimes small starters but on one memorable occasion I remember was once a set meal for 1.

When I was a kid the guy who ran the local Chinese was like that. Used to come round to parents place with Chinese apples randomly. He wasn't as old though and he's currently in prison for running over an old lady....twice.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Wouldn't surprise me, the guy is mental. He's about 85, won't answer to anything but 'Uncle Ali' (despite not being called Ali), and will periodically give you freebies, which are sometimes small starters but on one memorable occasion I remember was once a set meal for 1.

When I was a kid the guy who ran the local Chinese was like that. Used to come round to parents place with Chinese apples randomly. He wasn't as old though and he's currently in prison for running over an old lady....twice.

We have a samosa lady on our street who will get upset if you reject her samosas. They're good samosas but we don't need a huge bag of them once a week, nor do the other 20 houses on our road. Oh...and she doesn't get social distancing either, so you open the door and she's right up in your face telling you she's brought you some meat samosas you don't want.

When you say he ran over an old lady twice, was it the same old lady? Were the two times right after another or was it something he did for her on her birthday

[Cambrian Albany]

But why were they ignored at the time? People only think differently now because the media and progressives went ape and children are told in school how awful he was. But had the government taken action then and there or perhaps he had been PM, Britain might be very different.

There were even less people of other ethnicity in the UK back then. It was only a large thing because the rich upper class folk told the lower class folk they want to take their money and jobs.

Using the "other" tactic to bring division to the working class voters.

Exactly, so people were already annoyed. And no, this is not a rich poor thing. Most of the British Establishment came out against Powell.

When Heath telephoned Margaret Thatcher to tell her that he was going to sack Powell, she responded: "I really thought that it was better to let things cool down for the present rather than heighten the crisis". Heath sacked Powell from his Shadow Cabinet the day after the speech and he never held another senior political post again. Powell received almost 120,000 (predominantly positive) letters and a Gallup poll at the end of April showed that 74 per cent of those asked agreed with his speech and only 15 per cent disagreed, with 11 per cent unsure.[45] One poll concluded that between 61 and 73 per cent disagreed with Heath sacking Powell.[5] According to George L. Bernstein, many British people felt that Powell "was the first British politician who was actually listening to them".[46]

After the "Rivers of Blood" speech, Powell was transformed into a national public figure and won huge support across the UK.[8][9] Three days after the speech, on 23 April, as the Race Relations Bill was being debated in the House of Commons, 1,000 dockers marched on Westminster protesting against the "victimisation" of Powell, with slogans such as "we want Enoch Powell!" and "Enoch here, Enoch there, we want Enoch everywhere". The next day, 400 meat porters from Smithfield market handed in a 92-page petition in support of Powell, amidst other mass demonstrations of working-class support, much of it from trade unionists, in London and Wolverhampton.[21]:354
Conservative politician Michael Heseltine stated that in the aftermath of the "Rivers of blood" speech, if Enoch Powell had stood for leadership of the Conservative party he would have won "by a landslide" and if he had stood to be Prime Minister he would have won by a "national landslide".[49]

And if you want the links to the source numbers quoted I'll throw them in too if you insist. Bear in mind that Heseltine hated Powell for this and disagreed but he still knew Powell was popular and supported. Regardless of where we are now.. why were people at the time passed over?

[Fartsniffage]

When I was a kid the guy who ran the local Chinese was like that. Used to come round to parents place with Chinese apples randomly. He wasn't as old though and he's currently in prison for running over an old lady....twice.

We have a samosa lady on our street who will get upset if you reject her samosas. They're good samosas but we don't need a huge bag of them once a week, nor do the other 20 houses on our road. Oh...and she doesn't get social distancing either, so you open the door and she's right up in your face telling you she's brought you some meat samosas you don't want.

When you say he ran over an old lady twice, was it the same old lady? Were the two times right after another or was it something he did for her on her birthday

He backed over her, got out and claims he didn't see anything, so reversed over her again. He got 15 months for death by dangerous driving.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We have a samosa lady on our street who will get upset if you reject her samosas. They're good samosas but we don't need a huge bag of them once a week, nor do the other 20 houses on our road. Oh...and she doesn't get social distancing either, so you open the door and she's right up in your face telling you she's brought you some meat samosas you don't want.

When you say he ran over an old lady twice, was it the same old lady? Were the two times right after another or was it something he did for her on her birthday

He backed over her, got out and claims he didn't see anything, so reversed over her again. He got 15 months for death by dangerous driving.

That's not very nice, he shouldn't have done that.

[Fartsniffage]

He backed over her, got out and claims he didn't see anything, so reversed over her again. He got 15 months for death by dangerous driving.

That's not very nice, he shouldn't have done that.

I don't think he meant to. He's like 75 himself at this point.

[Vassenor]

So how much popular support actually exists for this racial purity malarky?

[Celritannia]

There were even less people of other ethnicity in the UK back then. It was only a large thing because the rich upper class folk told the lower class folk they want to take their money and jobs.

Using the "other" tactic to bring division to the working class voters.

Exactly, so people were already annoyed. And no, this is not a rich poor thing. Most of the British Establishment came out against Powell.

When Heath telephoned Margaret Thatcher to tell her that he was going to sack Powell, she responded: "I really thought that it was better to let things cool down for the present rather than heighten the crisis". Heath sacked Powell from his Shadow Cabinet the day after the speech and he never held another senior political post again. Powell received almost 120,000 (predominantly positive) letters and a Gallup poll at the end of April showed that 74 per cent of those asked agreed with his speech and only 15 per cent disagreed, with 11 per cent unsure.[45] One poll concluded that between 61 and 73 per cent disagreed with Heath sacking Powell.[5] According to George L. Bernstein, many British people felt that Powell "was the first British politician who was actually listening to them".[46]

After the "Rivers of Blood" speech, Powell was transformed into a national public figure and won huge support across the UK.[8][9] Three days after the speech, on 23 April, as the Race Relations Bill was being debated in the House of Commons, 1,000 dockers marched on Westminster protesting against the "victimisation" of Powell, with slogans such as "we want Enoch Powell!" and "Enoch here, Enoch there, we want Enoch everywhere". The next day, 400 meat porters from Smithfield market handed in a 92-page petition in support of Powell, amidst other mass demonstrations of working-class support, much of it from trade unionists, in London and Wolverhampton.[21]:354
Conservative politician Michael Heseltine stated that in the aftermath of the "Rivers of blood" speech, if Enoch Powell had stood for leadership of the Conservative party he would have won "by a landslide" and if he had stood to be Prime Minister he would have won by a "national landslide".[49]

And if you want the links to the source numbers quoted I'll throw them in too if you insist. Bear in mind that Heseltine hated Powell for this and disagreed but he still knew Powell was popular and supported. Regardless of where we are now.. why were people at the time passed over?

You are talking about something that happened 40 years ago. You were probably not around then, so it does not matter.

You are just mentioning this for no reason, since you never lived through that time period, making your points racist.

All that matters is the present, while remembering passed mistakes.