UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Fartsniffage]

Should have gotten your MMR jab.

Too old for that. Had to have 6 different jabs instead.

[Vassenor]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

[Gormwood]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

This should be the part where someone tries to scream Labour is antisemetic to deflect from Tory sociopathy and incompetence.

[Celritannia]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18347 ... ly-people/

Yes, there are a lot of elderly people who are at risk of this, but it is the NHS' duty to help save everyone.
Through a good healthcare system, the elderly can survive the Coronavirus:

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/2 ... 5XC1hjtvAw

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18347875.coronavirus-fury-toby-youngs-claims-elderly-people/

Yes, there are a lot of elderly people who are at risk of this, but it is the NHS' duty to help save everyone.
Through a good healthcare system, the elderly can survive the Coronavirus:

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/2 ... 5XC1hjtvAw

Saw Toby Young and didn't read the rest. The man is a shitstain on the y-fronts of humanity.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

I'm pretty sure I saw a report showing that no health system in the world was fit to handle a pandemic at the moment.

[Gormwood]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

I'm pretty sure I saw a report showing that no health system in the world was fit to handle a pandemic at the moment.

Not when pandemic funding was slashed to save the rich on Muh Tacksis.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm pretty sure I saw a report showing that no health system in the world was fit to handle a pandemic at the moment.

Not when pandemic funding was slashed to save the rich on Muh Tacksis.

That makes very little sense. The global health security index ranks Britain second, after the US. Importantly, no country is prepared to handle a pandemic, not even the Nordic countries that socialists always use as examples, which are all ranked lower than Britain. Interestingly, Thailand is ranked very highly.
https://www.ghsindex.org/

[Vassenor]

Not when pandemic funding was slashed to save the rich on Muh Tacksis.

That makes very little sense. The global health security index ranks Britain second, after the US. Importantly, no country is prepared to handle a pandemic, not even the Nordic countries that socialists always use as examples, which are all ranked lower than Britain. Interestingly, Thailand is ranked very highly.
https://www.ghsindex.org/

OK? I'm not seeing your point here. How does that mean that "we knew this was likely four years ago but did nothing" isn't true?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That makes very little sense. The global health security index ranks Britain second, after the US. Importantly, no country is prepared to handle a pandemic, not even the Nordic countries that socialists always use as examples, which are all ranked lower than Britain. Interestingly, Thailand is ranked very highly.
https://www.ghsindex.org/

OK? I'm not seeing your point here. How does that mean that "we knew this was likely four years ago but did nothing" isn't true?

I'm saying that nobody was prepared. Literally every country was judged to be unprepared. We, however, are one of the best.

What do you propose we should have done?

[Vassenor]

OK? I'm not seeing your point here. How does that mean that "we knew this was likely four years ago but did nothing" isn't true?

I'm saying that nobody was prepared. Literally every country was judged to be unprepared. We, however, are one of the best.

What do you propose we should have done?

Did you actually read the article or not?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm saying that nobody was prepared. Literally every country was judged to be unprepared. We, however, are one of the best.

What do you propose we should have done?

Did you actually read the article or not?

Yes. I was referring to the reason that they most likely did nothing: that they'd been told repeatedly by people whose job it is to advise countries 'you're better than nearly everybody' so they put it on the back gurner.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm usually absolutely paranoid about my gps location, to the point that unless I actually need to use something that requires my location, attempting to see where I am at any given moment tells you I'm in the middle of mexico city. However, this could actually be a very useful innovation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331

[Vassenor]

Did you actually read the article or not?

Yes. I was referring to the reason that they most likely did nothing: that they'd been told repeatedly by people whose job it is to advise countries 'you're better than nearly everybody' so they put it on the back gurner.

So when your own test exercises show you're dangerously unprepared, but some random yes man says what you have is perfectly adequate compared to everyone else so it's OK to be underprepared, who do you actually listen to?

[Gormwood]

Yes. I was referring to the reason that they most likely did nothing: that they'd been told repeatedly by people whose job it is to advise countries 'you're better than nearly everybody' so they put it on the back gurner.

So when your own test exercises show you're dangerously unprepared, but some random yes man says what you have is perfectly adequate compared to everyone else so it's OK to be underprepared, who do you actually listen to?

Whoever will cut taxes of course.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes. I was referring to the reason that they most likely did nothing: that they'd been told repeatedly by people whose job it is to advise countries 'you're better than nearly everybody' so they put it on the back gurner.

So when your own test exercises show you're dangerously unprepared, but some random yes man says what you have is perfectly adequate compared to everyone else so it's OK to be underprepared, who do you actually listen to?

The random yes men didn't even say that. They just said we were among the most prepared. Not that we were prepared enough. And part of their reasoning for that was the 2016 exercise that they thought would be acted upon.

It's a shitshow.

[Vassenor]

NHS workers are also being banned from publicly describing equipment shortages.

[Vassenor]

So when your own test exercises show you're dangerously unprepared, but some random yes man says what you have is perfectly adequate compared to everyone else so it's OK to be underprepared, who do you actually listen to?

The random yes men didn't even say that. They just said we were among the most prepared. Not that we were prepared enough. And part of their reasoning for that was the 2016 exercise that they thought would be acted upon.

It's a shitshow.

And apparently everyone's mad because it's been pointed out the exercise results got buried in Brexit chaos which means Brexit has had a possible negative consequence so something something criminal remoaner government ruined the country.

[Fartsniffage]

The random yes men didn't even say that. They just said we were among the most prepared. Not that we were prepared enough. And part of their reasoning for that was the 2016 exercise that they thought would be acted upon.

It's a shitshow.

And apparently everyone's mad because it's been pointed out the exercise results got buried in Brexit chaos which means Brexit has had a possible negative consequence so something something criminal remoaner government ruined the country.

Well...GVH is angry.

[Gormwood]

And apparently everyone's mad because it's been pointed out the exercise results got buried in Brexit chaos which means Brexit has had a possible negative consequence so something something criminal remoaner government ruined the country.

Well...GVH is angry.

Guess money can't buy happiness afterall.

[Moscareinas]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

I'm pretty sure I saw a report showing that no health system in the world was fit to handle a pandemic at the moment.

when handling a global problem, local solutions are insufficient because of course

[Moscareinas]

NHS workers are also being banned from publicly describing equipment shortages.

typical -- us doctors and nurses have come under those restraints too as of late, for one

but would you guys like medical professionals describing the inadequacies of the nhs vis-a-vis this pandemic in detail, for all the public to see? i mean, wouldn't people like trust in the system to be retained, and panic to be staunched?

[Celritannia]

"We could've been ready for Covid-19": former MP reveals how government "mishandled" pandemic

Oh dear. Short answer is we've known that the NHS was ill-equipped to handle a situation like this since 2016 and the government has done nothing about it.

I'm pretty sure I saw a report showing that no health system in the world was fit to handle a pandemic at the moment.

So cuts to the NHS since 2010 does not mean we could have been in a much better situation?

Well, this article states the years of Tory cuts to the NHS are linked to increased deaths and lack of preparation for this outbreak.
I have to agree.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_fb

Did you actually read the article or not?

Yes. I was referring to the reason that they most likely did nothing: that they'd been told repeatedly by people whose job it is to advise countries 'you're better than nearly everybody' so they put it on the back gurner.

Please provide evidence that suggests the UK was in a better position than anyone else:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... r-covid-19

Because the actual evidence disagrees.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Probably a wise decision by the Johnson government to abandon Wales to the goats.

[Agarntrop]

Following the coronavirus crisis and the subsequent devaluation of the British currency, Nicola Sturgeon has, after a secret postal referendum with 2000 SNP members with 100% voting yes, declared Scottish independence and sent tanks rolling to the English border to secure sovereignty. Boris Johnson says he's mobilising the British army to invade and retake Scotland in a war. Wow, I'd never expect it to come to this. Link to Nicola's full speech here