UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Liriena]

lmao his source doesn't even mention "cultural Marxism", so that part was New Bremerton's own deranged fabrication. I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The ironic fact remains that PRC is the purest example of unbridled capitalism enabled by unimaginable corruption. But that goes against the narrative that PRC is actually a communist reich somehow.

[snorts in Zizek] yah

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The Misguided Moral Panic About Racism in British Universities

British academia, the EHRC and other unelected, unaccountable government agencies and the broader establishment apparatus have been infiltrated by moralizing, dogmatic, purist, authoritarian, cultural Marxist ideologues seeking to turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing. They must be called out, exposed and ostracized from polite society before they have a chance to poison the well any further. This kind of total control is a threat to liberal democracy in the United Kingdom.

Yeah, the human rights committee is going to turn the UK into a totalitarian state with no regards for human rights.

[Vassenor]

The Misguided Moral Panic About Racism in British Universities

British academia, the EHRC and other unelected, unaccountable government agencies and the broader establishment apparatus have been infiltrated by moralizing, dogmatic, purist, authoritarian, cultural Marxist ideologues seeking to turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing. They must be called out, exposed and ostracized from polite society before they have a chance to poison the well any further. This kind of total control is a threat to liberal democracy in the United Kingdom.

You heard it here first, folks - not being able to be casually racist is bad.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

The Misguided Moral Panic About Racism in British Universities

British academia, the EHRC and other unelected, unaccountable government agencies and the broader establishment apparatus have been infiltrated by moralizing, dogmatic, purist, authoritarian, cultural Marxist ideologues seeking to turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing. They must be called out, exposed and ostracized from polite society before they have a chance to poison the well any further. This kind of total control is a threat to liberal democracy in the United Kingdom.

No, my friend. It is you and your ilk that are a threat to democracy. You should be exposed for the savages that you are. I'd say put down the Mein Kampf, but even Hitler thinks you're a reactionary. You want to turn this country back into the Dark Ages, and end democracy itself.

Do you think that any of us will stand for this? I'd much rather be put before the firing squad than live in a country where men like you rule.

[New Bremerton]

First of all... Quillette? The right's favourite phrenology publication? Very cool choice of source, dude.

RationalWiki. Wow.

Also, "cultural Marxist"? That's what we call a big red "I'm trading in old nazi propaganda" flag.

Cultural Marxism refers to the woke, identitarian Left, not to be confused with the more traditional, purely class-based Marxist ideology that predates it. At least that's what I mean when I use it.

I don't care what the neo-Nazis say it means. That's not what I or countless others not steeped in fascist ideology mean when we use the term. Meanings change over time.

Just those two elements, even without taking into account the whole of your two-faced attempt to instill paranoia in order to justify the persecution of anyone to your left, immediately discredit you.

Calling people out on their woke bullshit is persecution. I shudder to think what isn't.

Sit down.

No.

turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing.

And by this sentence alone I am now convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that educating you on the exact ways PRC works would be an utterly futile endeavour.

The PRC started off communist, then turned fascist and authoritarian capitalist. The repressive methods and tactics adopted by erstwhile actual communists more than half a century ago persist to this day. This is what I'm alluding to.

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I was ‘burned’ from UUP leader’s job by unionist sectarianism – Nesbitt

A former UUP leader has blamed unionist sectarianism for driving him from office as he urged unionism to wake up to the existential threat facing it.

Mike Nesbitt compared unionism to a frog sitting in a pot of water unaware of the threat to its life as the temperature gradually rises.

Mr Nesbitt said unionists needed to stop “disregarding the importance of human rights” and start thinking about how to tackle sectarianism within Northern Ireland society.

The Strangford Assembly member was addressing the launch of a new report on sectarianism at Parliament Buildings in Stormont.

Sectarianism: The Key Facts was commissioned by the Equality Coalition – an alliance of non-governmental organisations convened by the public service union Unison and human rights organisation, the Committee on the Administration of Justice.

Mr Nesbitt quit as UUP leader in 2017 after a disappointing Assembly election.

Some attributed his party’s poor performance to Mr Nesbitt’s campaign pledge to transfer his second preference vote to the nationalist SDLP as he urged voters to back a middle-ground powersharing coalition.

Addressing Monday’s event at Stormont, Mr Nesbitt recalled as a child being driven by his father to the hills around Belfast to watch sectarian disorder that saw Catholics and Protestants burned from their homes.

“A more recent memory is a couple of years ago when I was leader of the Unionist party and I said I would give a preference vote in the 2017 election to the SDLP and, figuratively, I was burned out of office by some rather sectarian reaction from the unionist community.

“My message, completely thinking from the unionist perspective, to unionists is wake-up.”

Mr Nesbitt said the old reality of a Protestant majority in Northern Ireland was gone.

...

CONTINUES

The Leader the UUP needed, i honestly class his stepping down as one of the final nails in the coffin for the UUP. Because the leadership since then has been more than lacking and seems intent on continuing on as second fiddle to the DUP till its eventual death.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

First of all... Quillette? The right's favourite phrenology publication? Very cool choice of source, dude.

RationalWiki. Wow.

Also, "cultural Marxist"? That's what we call a big red "I'm trading in old nazi propaganda" flag.

Cultural Marxism refers to the woke, identitarian Left, not to be confused with the more traditional, purely class-based Marxist ideology that predates it. At least that's what I mean when I use it.

I don't care what the neo-Nazis say it means. That's not what I or countless others not steeped in fascist ideology mean when we use the term. Meanings change over time.

Just those two elements, even without taking into account the whole of your two-faced attempt to instill paranoia in order to justify the persecution of anyone to your left, immediately discredit you.

Calling people out on their woke bullshit is persecution. I shudder to think what isn't.

Sit down.

No.

And by this sentence alone I am now convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that educating you on the exact ways PRC works would be an utterly futile endeavour.

The PRC started off communist, then turned fascist and authoritarian capitalist. The repressive methods and tactics adopted by erstwhile actual communists more than half a century ago persist to this day. This is what I'm alluding to.

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

The Communist Manifesto was literally a pamphlet. Reading it is like reading a few brochures about France and then thinking you know all of French history, demographics, culture and language.

[The New California Republic]

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

Basically a pamphlet. That level of reading doesn't cut it. Try reading more by Marx and Engels.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

First of all... Quillette? The right's favourite phrenology publication? Very cool choice of source, dude.

RationalWiki. Wow.

Also, "cultural Marxist"? That's what we call a big red "I'm trading in old nazi propaganda" flag.

Cultural Marxism refers to the woke, identitarian Left, not to be confused with the more traditional, purely class-based Marxist ideology that predates it. At least that's what I mean when I use it.

I don't care what the neo-Nazis say it means. That's not what I or countless others not steeped in fascist ideology mean when we use the term. Meanings change over time.

Just those two elements, even without taking into account the whole of your two-faced attempt to instill paranoia in order to justify the persecution of anyone to your left, immediately discredit you.

Calling people out on their woke bullshit is persecution. I shudder to think what isn't.

Sit down.

No.

And by this sentence alone I am now convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that educating you on the exact ways PRC works would be an utterly futile endeavour.

The PRC started off communist, then turned fascist and authoritarian capitalist. The repressive methods and tactics adopted by erstwhile actual communists more than half a century ago persist to this day. This is what I'm alluding to.

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

Also, that's not what cultural Marxist means. It refers to the belief of the Frankfurt School that modern culture is formed around capitalism and consumerism as opposed to national identity.

[Liriena]

Cultural Marxism refers to the woke, identitarian Left,

Identity politics and Marxism, including Marxist theory as applied to cultural studies and cultural issues, are extremely different things. Your academic illiteracy is showing.

Marxism isn't just a scary label you can slap onto everything left-wing. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto.

In other words, you read the least relevant Marxist text, as far as Marxist theory and cultural issues through a Marxist perspective are concerned.

jfc

Calling people out on their woke bullshit is persecution. I shudder to think what isn't.

Your deranged post was a call to exclude the left from politics because you're scared shitless of your conspiracy theories turning the UK into Xi Jinping's capitalist authoritarian dystopia but "woke".

I'm sorry that you don't understand the meaning of your own regurgitated storytelling.

[Liriena]

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

Basically a pamphlet. That level of reading doesn't cut it. Try reading more by Marx and Engels.

New Bremerton: whines about "cultural Marxism"

also New Bremerton: apparently doesn't even know about the actual history of British Marxist academics and cultural studies and just assumed that "cultural Marxism" is a codeword for "woke idpol" stuff

jfc the absolute banality of right-wing intelligentzia.

[New Bremerton]

The Misguided Moral Panic About Racism in British Universities

British academia, the EHRC and other unelected, unaccountable government agencies and the broader establishment apparatus have been infiltrated by moralizing, dogmatic, purist, authoritarian, cultural Marxist ideologues seeking to turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing. They must be called out, exposed and ostracized from polite society before they have a chance to poison the well any further. This kind of total control is a threat to liberal democracy in the United Kingdom.

No, my friend. It is you and your ilk that are a threat to democracy. You should be exposed for the savages that you are. I'd say put down the Mein Kampf, but even Hitler thinks you're a reactionary. You want to turn this country back into the Dark Ages, and end democracy itself.

Do you think that any of us will stand for this? I'd much rather be put before the firing squad than live in a country where men like you rule.

Exhibit A: "Anyone who disagrees with me is automatically a literal goose-stepping Nazi and fascist scum."

Thank you for proving me right about the far-left once again. You make this so easy and do your fellow leftists no favors with your useless and stereotypical strawmanning. You strike me as the kind of person who would condone Antifa street violence against me for my actually mainstream liberal centrist views as you would against Andy Ngo, who shares my Asian racial phenotype and is just as critical of the Left as I am. The shit that he has been subjected to is how I discovered Quillette in the first place.

My real enemy is actually authoritarianism of the fascist, Islamist, leftist and radical feminist persuasions. I won't stand for authoritarians like you forcing your beliefs onto me, no matter what your persuasion.

If by "men by me" you mean reasonable centrists, liberals, libertarians and moderate conservatives who reject the extremism of both woke intersectional leftists and fascists and Islamists, and constitute the vast majority of people, then I think your country is already being ruled by them already, and rightly so. Say hi to Boris for me, will you?

[Vassenor]

First of all... Quillette? The right's favourite phrenology publication? Very cool choice of source, dude.

RationalWiki. Wow.

Also, "cultural Marxist"? That's what we call a big red "I'm trading in old nazi propaganda" flag.

Cultural Marxism refers to the woke, identitarian Left, not to be confused with the more traditional, purely class-based Marxist ideology that predates it. At least that's what I mean when I use it.

I don't care what the neo-Nazis say it means. That's not what I or countless others not steeped in fascist ideology mean when we use the term. Meanings change over time.

Just those two elements, even without taking into account the whole of your two-faced attempt to instill paranoia in order to justify the persecution of anyone to your left, immediately discredit you.

Calling people out on their woke bullshit is persecution. I shudder to think what isn't.

Sit down.

No.

And by this sentence alone I am now convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that educating you on the exact ways PRC works would be an utterly futile endeavour.

The PRC started off communist, then turned fascist and authoritarian capitalist. The repressive methods and tactics adopted by erstwhile actual communists more than half a century ago persist to this day. This is what I'm alluding to.

I wonder how much Marxist literature he's actually read.

The Communist Manifesto. The one that says private property should be abolished.

Did you ever actually define identarianism or do you just hope your buzzwords are TTCs?

[Loben The 2nd]

The Misguided Moral Panic About Racism in British Universities

British academia, the EHRC and other unelected, unaccountable government agencies and the broader establishment apparatus have been infiltrated by moralizing, dogmatic, purist, authoritarian, cultural Marxist ideologues seeking to turn Britain into another Communist China by policing everything you do and say down to the smallest detail like the CCP is doing. They must be called out, exposed and ostracized from polite society before they have a chance to poison the well any further. This kind of total control is a threat to liberal democracy in the United Kingdom.

No, my friend. It is you and your ilk that are a threat to democracy. You should be exposed for the savages that you are. I'd say put down the Mein Kampf, but even Hitler thinks you're a reactionary. You want to turn this country back into the Dark Ages, and end democracy itself.

Do you think that any of us will stand for this? I'd much rather be put before the firing squad than live in a country where men like you rule.

now now, lets not use colonial buzzwords to describe civilized people.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

No, my friend. It is you and your ilk that are a threat to democracy. You should be exposed for the savages that you are. I'd say put down the Mein Kampf, but even Hitler thinks you're a reactionary. You want to turn this country back into the Dark Ages, and end democracy itself.

Do you think that any of us will stand for this? I'd much rather be put before the firing squad than live in a country where men like you rule.

Exhibit A: "Anyone who disagrees with me is automatically a literal goose-stepping Nazi and fascist scum."

Thank you for proving me right about the far-left once again. You make this so easy and do your fellow leftists no favors with your useless and stereotypical strawmanning. You strike me as the kind of person who would condone Antifa street violence against me for my actually mainstream liberal centrist views as you would against Andy Ngo, who shares my Asian racial phenotype and is just as critical of the Left as I am. The shit that he has been subjected to is how I discovered Quillette in the first place.

My real enemy is actually authoritarianism of the fascist, Islamist, leftist and radical feminist persuasions. I won't stand for authoritarians like you forcing your beliefs onto me, no matter what your persuasion.

If by "men by me" you mean reasonable centrists, liberals, libertarians and moderate conservatives who reject the extremism of both woke intersectional leftists and fascists and Islamists, and constitute the vast majority of people, then I think your country is already being ruled by them already, and rightly so. Say hi to Boris for me, will you?

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism but you do you.

[Liriena]

Exhibit A: "Anyone who disagrees with me is automatically a literal goose-stepping Nazi and fascist scum."

Thank you for proving me right about the far-left once again. You make this so easy and do your fellow leftists no favors with your useless and stereotypical strawmanning. You strike me as the kind of person who would condone Antifa street violence against me for my actually mainstream liberal centrist views as you would against Andy Ngo, who shares my Asian racial phenotype and is just as critical of the Left as I am. The shit that he has been subjected to is how I discovered Quillette in the first place.

My real enemy is actually authoritarianism of the fascist, Islamist, leftist and radical feminist persuasions. I won't stand for authoritarians like you forcing your beliefs onto me, no matter what your persuasion.

If by "men by me" you mean reasonable centrists, liberals, libertarians and moderate conservatives who reject the extremism of both woke intersectional leftists and fascists and Islamists, and constitute the vast majority of people, then I think your country is already being ruled by them already, and rightly so. Say hi to Boris for me, will you?

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism but you do you.

It's late 19th century liberalism, so it checks out.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism but you do you.

It's late 19th century liberalism, so it checks out.

Also Social Darwinism but ok that's now "liberal centrism".

[New Bremerton]

Basically a pamphlet. That level of reading doesn't cut it. Try reading more by Marx and Engels.

New Bremerton: whines about "cultural Marxism"

also New Bremerton: apparently doesn't even know about the actual history of British Marxist academics and cultural studies and just assumed that "cultural Marxism" is a codeword for "woke idpol" stuff

jfc the absolute banality of right-wing intelligentzia.

Cultural Marxism. Not traditional Marxism. Also, meanings change.

jfc The absolute banality of lumping me with right-wing conservatives who love Jesus/Allah, hate abortion and are critical of atheism, LGBT rights and universal healthcare. I'm actually liberal at heart. Always was. Always will be.

[Vassenor]

New Bremerton: whines about "cultural Marxism"

also New Bremerton: apparently doesn't even know about the actual history of British Marxist academics and cultural studies and just assumed that "cultural Marxism" is a codeword for "woke idpol" stuff

jfc the absolute banality of right-wing intelligentzia.

Cultural Marxism. Not traditional Marxism. Also, meanings change.

jfc The absolute banality of lumping me with right-wing conservatives who love Jesus/Allah, hate abortion and are critical of atheism, LGBT rights and universal healthcare. I'm actually liberal at heart. Always was. Always will be.

I mean if you are going to keep unironically vomiting their talking points everywhere...

[Liriena]

New Bremerton: whines about "cultural Marxism"

also New Bremerton: apparently doesn't even know about the actual history of British Marxist academics and cultural studies and just assumed that "cultural Marxism" is a codeword for "woke idpol" stuff

jfc the absolute banality of right-wing intelligentzia.

Cultural Marxism. Not traditional Marxism. Also, meanings change.

Meanings do change, but if you're trying to describe a political or academic movement, if your definition is not the most commonly used one, you have an intellectual responsibility to justify your definition, which you've failed to do and will probably keep failing because you apparently don't know anything about Marxism within and without cultural studies and issues.

Here, I'll throw you a lifesaver. Name a "cultural Marxist" author and explain what about their theory and praxis makes them a "cultural Marxist".

[New Bremerton]

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism

Neither do I. At what point did I or the article I cited mention anything about racial phrenology or whatever cute eugenics BS you can conjure up to smear me with? What does it have to do with anything? It's a complete non sequitur.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism

Neither do I. At what point did I or the article I cited mention anything about racial phrenology or whatever cute eugenics BS you can conjure up to smear me with? What does it have to do with anything? It's a complete non sequitur.

um...

[Liriena]

I am unsure how racial phrenology jives with liberal centricism

Neither do I. At what point did I or the article I cited mention anything about racial phrenology or whatever cute eugenics BS you can conjure up to smear me with? What does it have to do with anything? It's a complete non sequitur.

So you don't actually know anything about the history of the publication you used as a source?

Do you ever actually research before writing?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Neither do I. At what point did I or the article I cited mention anything about racial phrenology or whatever cute eugenics BS you can conjure up to smear me with? What does it have to do with anything? It's a complete non sequitur.

um...

Idk about you but attempting to rehabilitate a racial social darwinist doesn't quite sound like something liberal centricists of 2020 would do. But you do you.

[Liriena]

um...

Idk about you but attempting to rehabilitate a racial social darwinist doesn't quite sound like something liberal centricists of 2020 would do. But you do you.

Let me tell you about the English liberal mindset and its origins in the shape of the Anglo-Saxon skull...