UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Gormwood]

Just great... now the Leavers are going to crow about how they were right assuming the police declare this another Islamist lone wolf.

Fucking christ, thats what you focus on?

Unless we live in Dragonball and I can lend spirit energy, me being concerned about the victims is entirely irrelevant to their health.

[Vassenor]

Fucking christ, thats what you focus on?

Unless we live in Dragonball and I can lend spirit energy, me being concerned about the victims is entirely irrelevant to their health.

And the conservatives only really care about the victims as far as they can use them as weapons.

[Gormwood]

Unless we live in Dragonball and I can lend spirit energy, me being concerned about the victims is entirely irrelevant to their health.

And the conservatives only really care about the victims as far as they can use them as weapons.

Yeah, how is that Pulse Nightclub Memorial going?

[Souseiseki]

you cannot compete with automation and the rise of china/india. soon all of your skilled and unskilled jobs will be non-existent or overwhelmed with applicants. your attempts at bumping your wages through ending of freedom of movement is just an ineffective stopgap for this. the british people and government will never truly be willing to stomach the economic restructuring required to either end immigration and automation or to be able to deal with the new zeitgeist effectively. this is the beginning of the end.

[Gormwood]

you cannot compete with automation and the rise of china/india. soon all of your skilled and unskilled jobs will be non-existent or overwhelmed with applicants. your attempts at bumping your wages through ending of freedom of movement is just an ineffective stopgap for this. the british people and government will never truly be willing to stomach the economic restructuring required to either end immigration and automation or to be able to deal with the new zeitgeist effectively. this is the beginning of the end.

Only in this timeline is it possible for England to have to solve an economic crisis by whoring itself out as a private penal colony like in Johnny English.

[Agarntrop]

Eyewitnesses say he was wearing a vest with silver cylinders on it. It's a no brainer in that situation.

No it isn't. I don't even believe the police should carry guns, recent events show that armed cops are trigger-happy cops.

If they weren't armed they'd be dead, mate.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No it isn't. I don't even believe the police should carry guns, recent events show that armed cops are trigger-happy cops.

If they weren't armed they'd be dead, mate.

Not if they knew without a doubt that the vest was genuine.

[Salandriagado]

Monogamy is not stupid.

The notion that sex before putting on some rings and standing a ceremony is somehow bad or sinful is stupid. Very fucking stupid.

Marriage is part of our culture

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

[Greed and Death]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51349664

Terrorist attack in London. People stabbed, twat shot by police.

Clearly a pro Remain extremist.



It is my duty to type out the queens command.

Our Sovereign Lady the Queen chargeth and commandeth all persons, associated with the remain crowd, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the Queen!

[Albennia]

Marriage is part of our culture

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

[Rojava Free State]

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore. The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

[Fartsniffage]

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore. The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

Well yes, we're the only species with high enough cognitive abilities to even conceive of the idea. But there are other species that are monogamous.

[Gormwood]

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

That's the sort of puritannical uptightness that was the public hallmark of the Victorian Era. And we all know what happened behind the scenes.

[Philjia]

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Society is no less (im)moral than it's ever been.

[Rojava Free State]

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

Well yes, we're the only species with high enough cognitive abilities to even conceive of the idea. But there are other species that are monogamous.

My point is that marriage is not the natural order. It's a human construct and considering how many polyamorous societies there are on earth, I would argue that humans are not necessarily automatically inclined to monogamy or a permanent relationship with someone. Society is better when it allows people to practice whatever sexual behaviors they like (excluding shit like rape and child molestation and beastiality) instead of forcing stupid standards down their throats

[Albennia]

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

We're also the only species with complex language, vaccines, the wheel, space flight, and complex, organised societies that aren't utter shit (see: ants and bees). So I'm really not sure why you're trying to use the fact we're the only species that has something to argue against that something.

[Rojava Free State]

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

We're also the only species with complex language, vaccines, the wheel, space flight, and complex, organised societies that aren't utter shit (see: ants and bees). So I'm really not sure why you're trying to use the fact we're the only species that has something to argue against that something.

You've still not explain why premarital sex is bad. Even if it wasn't the norm at certain points in history, that doesn't make it bad

[Philjia]

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.


We're also the only species with complex language, vaccines, the wheel, space flight, and complex, organised societies that aren't utter shit (see: ants and bees). So I'm really not sure why you're trying to use the fact we're the only species that has something to argue against that something.

You've still not explain why premarital sex is bad. Even if it wasn't the norm at certain points in history, that doesn't make it bad

Nah, it'll be brilliant, we'll bring back public shaming for single mothers and also hanging and legalise racial discrimination, just like the good old days.

[Purgatio]

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Lol, what? You genuinely don't think people in Europe had sex outside of marriage even during the halcyon era of European aristocracy? Have you looked at a European royal family tree lately and counted the number of illegitimate bastards fathered out of wedlock?

[Salandriagado]

Sure. In particular, arranged marriages of children are part of our culture. Sex outside of marriage is also very much a part of our culture. This is not an argument.

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Ah, so in the first half, you admit that culture changes (and therefore that your argument is built on air). In the latter, you are just absolutely factually incorrect.

[Albennia]

That's the sort of puritannical uptightness that was the public hallmark of the Victorian Era.

Victorian morality also abolished slavery and the slave trade, ended child labour, gave animals rights, encouraged education, and reformed the prison system.

And we all know what happened behind the scenes.

You mean that, while remaining decent in public, they were perfectly accepting of sexuality within marriage and indeed encouraged it as part of love? Uh, yes.

[Salandriagado]

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.

And I'm sure you've got some evidence to support this outright lie.

[Albennia]

Arranged marriages of children were a general European aristocracy and royalty thing, but they aren't anymore (and that's been the case in western Europe for two or so centuries). The age at which most Britons married was actually rather high. And no, sex outside of marriage is not part of our culture - it is a rather recent occurrence that is the result of the breakdown of society and community and needs to be stopped.

Ah, so in the first half, you admit that culture changes (and therefore that your argument is built on air). In the latter, you are just absolutely factually incorrect.

The practices of aristocracy and royalty are anything but representative of cultures as a whole. As for the latter, I'd love to hear why you believe that.

[Purgatio]

Bro people have been having sex outside of marriage for a long time. They just didn't talk about it

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.

Matter of fact, we are the only species that has such a a stupid institution as marriage.

We're also the only species with complex language, vaccines, the wheel, space flight, and complex, organised societies that aren't utter shit (see: ants and bees). So I'm really not sure why you're trying to use the fact we're the only species that has something to argue against that something.

More like there's nothing natural or inevitable about getting married. Yes, we're a species capable of complex thought and cognitive capacity, and we're capable of using that cognitive capacity to make decisions and choices over our lives - that can be to get married, or to not get married. Its just bizarre to emphasise our species's capacity for complex thought, but get angry when members of our species use that capacity to make free and independent species over our individual lives that you may not personally approve of. People's sex lives and marital choices are really none of your business.

[Albennia]

Some people. It definitely wasn't as widespread as it is now.

And I'm sure you've got some evidence to support this outright lie.

My personal definition of premarital sex as in the sort I oppose does not, as I have stated previously, include relationships leading to marriage. For quite a long time people were married simply by saying so and then consummating their union even if, as time went on, clergy were usually in attendance for the former. It was only with the state's assertion of control over marriage that this really changed, at which point premarital sex in relationships leading to (formal) marriage became the norm.