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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:08 am

Souseiseki wrote:i swear to fucking god if you people ruin my lidl made with EU meat products and replace them with some shit american crap


That's a point. Aldi German Bratwurst are amazing. They better not fuck with them.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:12 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:i swear to fucking god if you people ruin my lidl made with EU meat products and replace them with some shit american crap


That's a point. Aldi German Bratwurst are amazing. They better not fuck with them.

Are they actually made in germany? A lot of that sort of stuff is 'made to a (wherever) recipe' or '(wherever) inspired' it seems now.
Still can't get over the 'chorizo-style sausage' that Iceland uses, like...why not just use chorizo, this is not a budget ready meal.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:13 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
That's a point. Aldi German Bratwurst are amazing. They better not fuck with them.

Are they actually made in germany? A lot of that sort of stuff is 'made to a (wherever) recipe' or '(wherever) inspired' it seems now.
Still can't get over the 'chorizo-style sausage' that Iceland uses, like...why not just use chorizo, this is not a budget ready meal.


They are made in Germany. A lot of Aldi food is because German company.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:16 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Are they actually made in germany? A lot of that sort of stuff is 'made to a (wherever) recipe' or '(wherever) inspired' it seems now.
Still can't get over the 'chorizo-style sausage' that Iceland uses, like...why not just use chorizo, this is not a budget ready meal.


They are made in Germany. A lot of Aldi food is because German company.

Well unless aldi decides to leave the UK I doubt they'll go bye-bye. Exporting food to Britain is a 40 billion euro industry, I doubt they'll want to lose that.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:17 am

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Postby Albennia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:19 am

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Albennia wrote:I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.


The are countries where extra marital sex gets you executed. Yet people still do it.

It's almost like biology has zero time for your morality bullshit.

There are countries where murder gets you executed. Yet people still do it.

See? It's a ridiculous argument.

Vassenor wrote:When did it become 1934 anyway? Also that citation hasn't become any less stupid since the last time you tried it.

Really, because last time was just people saying "stop citing things"

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Postby Heloin » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:20 am

The fact that Dublin and Cork are now the two largest English Speaking cities in the EU is funny to me.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:21 am

Heloin wrote:The fact that Dublin and Cork are now the two largest English Speaking cities in the EU is funny to me.

I like the fact the EU has lost its top 6 universities.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:25 am



Depends. The Tories might back down and look bad, or they might hold firm and the EU will eventually pressure Spain to drop its argument. This is one of the only issues where the "No deal" strategy might work out for us given popular sovereignty can be convincingly sold as a red line issue more important than trade.

On the issue of "I am too bantz to be prime minister", i'd counter with claims on Normandy and the republic of Ireland, as well as suggesting France cede alsace-lorraine to germany and just add that ammendment constantly when it was brought up.

Maybe post that spongebob meme with the EU saying "Revanchism is okay" then britishflagface and russianflagface approaching with "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man?" overlaid on top of WW2 photographs.

It's a simple enough battle to win.

If the EU is serious about violating popular sovereignty then its either no deal, or war. That's the only ethically consistent argument, and they know it. The issue is that the tory government are more likely to be like "Lol morals, we'd sell sheffield to putin for a bag of coke" and back down.


Maybe pass a law saying machine guns are now legal in gibraltar and send out some soldiers to train in guerilla tactics and be like;

"You really sure you want to annex these people? It wont be our problem when you do.".
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Postby LRON » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:35 am

Happy Belated Brexit Day! Tonight I am attending a function to celebrate our glorious exist from that wretched morass of avarice and milksoppery. It shall be fun, I presume! Celebrate the exit tonight if you haven't done so yet!
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:39 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:i swear to fucking god if you people ruin my lidl made with EU meat products and replace them with some shit american crap


That's a point. Aldi German Bratwurst are amazing. They better not fuck with them.

Too late.
all supermarket goods to pass through border inspection posts,”

There will now be customs checks on your Bratwursts. Looks like British trade will be sledgehammered after 2020.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:43 am

Albennia wrote:Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.


And why is it wrong? What harm does it do? Because I guarantee you that if I ever changed my mind and decided to get married, the woman I get hitched to better not be a virgin or im gonna have the worst sex of my entire life since I was 14.

And don't hit me with that "condoms only work 99% of the time" bullshit. I know you do things that aren't 100% safe either but you still do them cause Christianity didn't say no to that stuff
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:44 am

Heloin wrote:The fact that Dublin and Cork are now the two largest English Speaking cities in the EU is funny to me.


Me: mom can we have England at home?

Mom: son, we already have England at home.

England at home:
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:45 am

New Bremerton wrote:Happy Brexit Day to everyone in the UK! You've earned your right to celebrate your independence from the EU. This is a historic moment.


We had the best relationship with the EU as a member. Parliamentary sovereignty was still supreme despite what the idiots say.

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:48 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Heloin wrote:The fact that Dublin and Cork are now the two largest English Speaking cities in the EU is funny to me.

I like the fact the EU has lost its top 6 universities.


Which means less students studying here, no access to the EU scientific communities, and much more.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:48 am



Well America stands shoulder to shoulder with our British cousins in the defense of Gibraltar.

We might even need a preemptive strike.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:48 am

So the antisemites of Hungary and their lackeys have now grown in power in the EU establishment. Was this your plot BoJo/Farage?
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Well America stands shoulder to shoulder with our British cousins in the defense of Gibraltar.

We might even need a preemptive strike.

This is how PRC takes over the world.
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Postby Nimzonia » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:50 am

Albennia wrote:Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.


No, sex education classes do not need to cater to the outdated beliefs of a small and increasingly irrelevant minority.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:51 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So the antisemites of Hungary and their lackeys have now grown in power in the EU establishment. Was this your plot BoJo/Farage?


...WHO!?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:51 am

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:51 am

Celritannia wrote:Which means less students studying here, no access to the EU scientific communities, and much more.

Can't wait until the Britons gets thrown out of CERN.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So the antisemites of Hungary and their lackeys have now grown in power in the EU establishment. Was this your plot BoJo/Farage?


...WHO!?

Viktor Orban. Who else?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:52 am

Nimzonia wrote:
Albennia wrote:Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.


No, sex education classes do not need to cater to the outdated beliefs of a small and increasingly irrelevant minority.


If fundamentalists christians, Muslims or Jews are so scared of normal human behavior, maybe it's time they pull their kids from public schools and put them in a place where they'll be more comfortable. Think of them as religious safe spaces, because everybody likes you and thinks you're great in your safe space
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So the antisemites of Hungary and their lackeys have now grown in power in the EU establishment. Was this your plot BoJo/Farage?
Greed and Death wrote:
Well America stands shoulder to shoulder with our British cousins in the defense of Gibraltar.

We might even need a preemptive strike.

This is how PRC takes over the world.


France has nukes the first move in a US-UK vs EU war would be to knock out those facilities. After that most of Spain and France being ceded to the UK should be sufficient compensation to stop the war.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:57 am

Albennia wrote:Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

Nah. The decision of two consenting adults to have sex is completely harmless (provided that it is legal and not cheating of course.)
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