UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Salandriagado]

No it isn't.

It's a major constitutional change, whether you support it or not it is still historic.

It isn't, though. That's on the 1st of January next year. This is a minor bit of grandstanding on the way to that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No it isn't.

i mean it is a historic moment in the same way that suez was a historic moment. a historic bad move is still a historic move.

The end of the transition period will admittedly be a much greater celebration.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's a major constitutional change, whether you support it or not it is still historic.

It isn't, though. That's on the 1st of January next year. This is a minor bit of grandstanding on the way to that.

The actual constitutional change, that being we are no longer a part of the EU, occurred today. The transition period is just something that (wrongfully) got agreed.

[Salandriagado]

It isn't, though. That's on the 1st of January next year. This is a minor bit of grandstanding on the way to that.

The actual constitutional change, that being we are no longer a part of the EU, occurred today. The transition period is just something that (wrongfully) got agreed.

Which made absolutely no difference to anything of significance.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

It isn't, though. That's on the 1st of January next year. This is a minor bit of grandstanding on the way to that.

The actual constitutional change, that being we are no longer a part of the EU, occurred today. The transition period is just something that (wrongfully) got agreed.

You realise without a transition period we would be operating on WTO terms right now and the country would be fucked right?

[Ostroeuropa]

i mean if we're just going to go down to the level of "why not teach women not to rape too???" then you're right and i do not intend to argue that point

The phrasing of "Not to rape" is also deliberately inflammatory so that they can demonize and gaslight men about doing it by denying they're doing it. There is no need to phrase it that way and it's both more informative and less inflammatory to be "Teach people about consent". Feminists pretend not to understand the problem because it enables them to demonize men then gaslight people by pretending they were doing something constructive instead of hateful.

The alternative to them being deliberately malicious like that, is the self-demonstrating argument where there is a possibility of feminists being subhumans, see my study on how the norm of a human population understands the problems with the kind of language feminists use like "Teach men not to rape" and "Toxic masculinity" and so on. Feminists fall below that human norm, they are sub that human norm. Hence, feminists are subhuman.

Woh woh, you just don't understand our rationalization for using that term because you're have too many subhuman traits to comprehend it, you're misrepresenting me. I'm not deliberately demonizing you and then gaslighting you by presenting this argument to """justify""" it like an abusive spouse might behave. Look, see, here's my argument for what subhuman means in this context, I haven't deliberately chosen it to represent this phenomena for any particular reason, you're being paranoid. You just don't understand our definition of that term that justifies us plastering posters saying "Feminists are subhumans" everywhere and normalizing that phrase in popular culture. Now let me tell you about how you're a paedophile and a rapist.

Woh, you're misrepresenting me. It's because you don't understand our argument, you've been listening to too many bad people and your brain is full of misinformation.

Ad nauseum.

"Teach X not to rape" is the same. It is constructed to demonize men and there's no reason to keep it around when you consider the alternatives that are actually constructed to fix problems, be more informative, less divisive and so on, rather than hate an out-group while providing plausible deniability you can turn to when confronted.

"Filthy immigrants" is not an appropriate term to use for hygiene standards campaigning among poor communities and it doesn't actually get better when you change it to "Filthy poor people", and if that's your objection, you've not understood the kind of person you're dealing with and why they are using those words specifically.

[Vassenor]

The actual constitutional change, that being we are no longer a part of the EU, occurred today. The transition period is just something that (wrongfully) got agreed.

You realise without a transition period we would be operating on WTO terms right now and the country would be fucked right?

Remember GVH wants that to happen.

[Salandriagado]

The actual constitutional change, that being we are no longer a part of the EU, occurred today. The transition period is just something that (wrongfully) got agreed.

You realise without a transition period we would be operating on WTO terms right now and the country would be fucked right?

The country being fucked is his objective.

[Fartsniffage]

Indeed, but if the point isn't to fix problems, but hate and demonize a particular group, that's not what you would propose.
In terms of UK sex ed, I don't think it would be sufficient to simply teach consent in our current set up, given that we segregate girls and boys lessons.

This also has the impact of fostering unawareness of the other sexes reproductive biology. They should be desegregated first, then consent taught.

Are they?

Mine weren't segregated.

Mine were. But then again I went to a single sex school...

And the entirety of my sex education was my very muslim chemistry teacher telling the class to read the chapter at home and "Don't get anyone pregnant lads."

So far I've raped zero people.

[Vassenor]

Indeed, but if the point isn't to fix problems, but hate and demonize a particular group, that's not what you would propose.
In terms of UK sex ed, I don't think it would be sufficient to simply teach consent in our current set up, given that we segregate girls and boys lessons.

This also has the impact of fostering unawareness of the other sexes reproductive biology. They should be desegregated first, then consent taught.

Are they?

Mine weren't segregated.

Mine were and we were still taught everything.

[Albennia]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

[Ostroeuropa]

Are they?

Mine weren't segregated.

Mine were. But then again I went to a single sex school...

And the entirety of my sex education was my very muslim chemistry teacher telling the class to read the chapter at home and "Don't get anyone pregnant lads."

So far I've raped zero people.

Mine were segregated for sex-ed, but not otherwise except for P.E.

Sex-ed revolved around pictures of diseased penises and trying to traumatize us, then demanding we put a condom on a banana to show we know how and if we don't then the pictures will happen to our dicks.

There was also like, some pretty hilariously bad in hindsight talk about sex as in;

"Blowjobs, vaginal, anal. Those are the sex. If you do one of these, it is a sex, if its not one of these, it is not a sex.".

In the context of "wrap up your dick" that might make some sense, but is pretty bad for broader understanding.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

Thats fucking stupid.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

R.E once said you shouldn't sleep around because you don't know if someone might be a relative of yours you haven't met until the wedding and the families turn up. You might be fucking your cousin.

You don't want to risk fucking your cousin, do you?

[Albennia]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

Thats fucking stupid.

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

[Vassenor]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

No.

[Vassenor]

Thats fucking stupid.

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

I'd love to hear why monogamy needs to be enforced.

[Souseiseki]

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

R.E once said you shouldn't sleep around because you don't know if someone might be a relative of yours you haven't met until the wedding and the families turn up. You might be fucking your cousin.

You don't want to risk fucking your cousin, do you?

that's an iceland problem not a UK problem

then again, idk, maybe you live in some tiny welsh speaking village with 200 people

[Albennia]

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

I'd love to hear why monogamy needs to be enforced.

Sex and Culture by J. D. Unwin.

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

No.

Yes.

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

R.E once said you shouldn't sleep around because you don't know if someone might be a relative of yours you haven't met until the wedding and the families turn up. You might be fucking your cousin.

You don't want to risk fucking your cousin, do you?

Why that was in R.E I don't even know. But "no pre/extramarital sex" is right, even if that's a stupid reason.

[Vassenor]

I'd love to hear why monogamy needs to be enforced.

Sex and Culture by J. D. Unwin.

No.

Yes.

R.E once said you shouldn't sleep around because you don't know if someone might be a relative of yours you haven't met until the wedding and the families turn up. You might be fucking your cousin.

You don't want to risk fucking your cousin, do you?

Why that was in R.E I don't even know. But "no pre/extramarital sex" is right, even if that's a stupid reason.

When did it become 1934 anyway? Also that citation hasn't become any less stupid since the last time you tried it.

[Fartsniffage]

Thats fucking stupid.

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

The are countries where extra marital sex gets you executed. Yet people still do it.

It's almost like biology has zero time for your morality bullshit.

[Souseiseki]

i swear to fucking god if you people ruin my lidl made with EU meat products and replace them with some shit american crap

[Philjia]

Thats fucking stupid.

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

Monogamy isn't stupid (and nobody said it was) but it's also exceedingly ignorant to believe it's the only valid form of sexual relationship, or that marriage is the only valid form of long term relationship. I like to start the day with a nice bowl of Kellogg's Crunchy Nut Cornflakes but if I tried to force everyone to eat Crunchy Nut Cornflakes for breakfast and claimed other forms of breakfast were immoral merely because I didn't like them, they'd think I was an authoritarian maniac.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Mine were. But then again I went to a single sex school...

And the entirety of my sex education was my very muslim chemistry teacher telling the class to read the chapter at home and "Don't get anyone pregnant lads."

So far I've raped zero people.

Mine were segregated for sex-ed, but not otherwise except for P.E.

Sex-ed revolved around pictures of diseased penises and trying to traumatize us, then demanding we put a condom on a banana to show we know how and if we don't then the pictures will happen to our dicks.

There was also like, some pretty hilariously bad in hindsight talk about sex as in;

"Blowjobs, vaginal, anal. Those are the sex. If you do one of these, it is a sex, if its not one of these, it is not a sex.".

In the context of "wrap up your dick" that might make some sense, but is pretty bad for broader understanding.

Mine might have been because I went to a pretty small private school, so my year had about 10 people in it. It's probably not worth running separate sex ed classes for the 7 boys and the 3 girls. Weren't segregated for PE or swimming either (although in practise, when swimming came along all 3 of the girls seemed somehow to have 4 periods per month.)

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

Monogamy isn't stupid (and nobody said it was) but it's also exceedingly ignorant to believe it's the only valid form of sexual relationship, or that marriage is the only valid form of long term relationship. I like to start the day with a nice bowl of Kellogg's Crunchy Nut Cornflakes but if I tried to force everyone to eat Crunchy Nut Cornflakes for breakfast and claimed other forms of breakfast were immoral merely because I didn't like them, they'd think I was an authoritarian maniac.

I like to start my day with waffles or pancakes, complete with syrup and bacon.
Sometimes I don't though, sometimes I have fruit or sometimes I have a sausage sandwich or sometimes I have curry from yesterday.
Although pancakes with bacon and syrup are superior in my mind, other options do exist that are equally valid. Crunchy nut cornflakes however are either dry and boring, or taste of milk which isn't very nice.