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Postby Page » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:Wut

So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?


Anti-vaxxers have been enabled by some Democrat local and state governments which have granted them religious exemptions to their kids needing to be vaccinated to attend school. Some Republicans are complicit too but it isn't only the Republicans who use religion to excuse bad behavior.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:15 pm

Page wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?


Anti-vaxxers have been enabled by some Democrat local and state governments which have granted them religious exemptions to their kids needing to be vaccinated to attend school. Some Republicans are complicit too but it isn't only the Republicans who use religion to excuse bad behavior.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:16 pm

Page wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?


Anti-vaxxers have been enabled by some Democrat local and state governments which have granted them religious exemptions to their kids needing to be vaccinated to attend school. Some Republicans are complicit too but it isn't only the Republicans who use religion to excuse bad behavior.


Sounds spicy. I want sauce.

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:16 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Wut

So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?

You may not be understanding my point; allow me to word it differently:
wat
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Postby South Ccanda » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:17 pm

Dang, I can't get my LGBBQ on anymore

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:19 pm

South Ccanda wrote:Dang, I can't get my LGBBQ on anymore

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Cannibalism has been illegal for a good while now, so you shouldn't have been getting it on before this either.
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Postby South Ccanda » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:20 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:Dang, I can't get my LGBBQ on anymore

/s

Cannibalism has been illegal for a good while now, so you shouldn't have been getting it on before this either.

whoops
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Postby Satuga » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:21 pm

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South Ccanda wrote:Dang, I can't get my LGBBQ on anymore

/s

Cannibalism has been illegal for a good while now, so you shouldn't have been getting it on before this either.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:26 pm

I'm glad that it's being outlawed, but tbh it's not the state's place to instigate social change.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:28 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm glad that it's being outlawed, but tbh it's not the state's place to instigate social change.

I'm glad we're on the same page with regards to this issue - businesses should be the primary instigators of social change, particularly that which is related to sexuality.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:29 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm glad that it's being outlawed, but tbh it's not the state's place to instigate social change.

I'm glad we're on the same page with regards to this issue - businesses should be the primary instigators of social change, particularly that which is related to sexuality.

That sure worked well with the Civil Rights Movement.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:32 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm glad that it's being outlawed, but tbh it's not the state's place to instigate social change.

They shouldn't have passed this in your view? What is their role then?

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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:33 pm

Well, for a state which only repealed its sodomy statute a few months ago, its come a long way.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:36 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm glad we're on the same page with regards to this issue - businesses should be the primary instigators of social change, particularly that which is related to sexuality.

That sure worked well with the Civil Rights Movement.

Yes it did.
Agarntrop wrote:Well, for a state which only repealed its sodomy statute a few months ago, its come a long way.

The sodomy statute was not enforced recently prior to its repeal.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm glad that it's being outlawed, but tbh it's not the state's place to instigate social change.

I'm glad we're on the same page with regards to this issue - businesses should be the primary instigators of social change, particularly that which is related to sexuality.


Considering how much businesses have contributed to fucking up the planet, I trust them as far as I can throw them.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:39 pm

Conversion Therapy should be illegal for those under 18, and it should be illegal if not consented to. I'm libertarian, so I believe if someone wants to go down that path they should be able to of their own accord once they are of mature age to understand the consequences and ramifications of it.
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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That sure worked well with the Civil Rights Movement.

Yes it did.
Agarntrop wrote:Well, for a state which only repealed its sodomy statute a few months ago, its come a long way.

The sodomy statute was not enforced recently prior to its repeal.

I know, it was struck down in 2003, but it was still in place until 2019 and the house of Representatives actually refused to repeal it in 2007, iirc.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That sure worked well with the Civil Rights Movement.

Yes it did.

Today I learned businesses integrated Little Rock.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:00 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Wut

So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?

1920's.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:04 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Conversion Therapy should be illegal for those under 18, and it should be illegal if not consented to. I'm libertarian, so I believe if someone wants to go down that path they should be able to of their own accord once they are of mature age to understand the consequences and ramifications of it.

Most bans outlaw it if it’s not consensual.

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Postby Czechostan » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:06 pm

This is excellent news.

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Postby Page » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:07 pm

I would like to know more about the consenting adults who voluntarily go to conversion therapy. I'm sure there are some but I have to imagine an adult who thinks they want this have been severely gaslighted by their homophobic families or peers.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Conversion Therapy should be illegal for those under 18, and it should be illegal if not consented to. I'm libertarian, so I believe if someone wants to go down that path they should be able to of their own accord once they are of mature age to understand the consequences and ramifications of it.

Most bans outlaw it if it’s not consensual.

So that's good.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:15 pm

While I don't encourage the practice, I don't believe adults should be barred from choosing it.
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Postby Ethan Allen » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:18 pm

Is it an outright ban?
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