Utah Bans Conversion Therapy

[The Grims]

Conversion therapy should only be legal for adults, period and end of story.

Why should fraud be legal at all ?

[Geneviev]

Conversion therapy should only be legal for adults, period and end of story.

Why should fraud be legal at all ?

People should be warned that the evidence for conversion therapy is essentially nonexistent, but adults have the right to make those decisions if they understand the consequences.

[Oscansa]

Thank fuck, too many lies have been ruined by this toture

[The Grims]

Why should fraud be legal at all ?

People should be warned that the evidence for conversion therapy is essentially nonexistent, but adults have the right to make those decisions if they understand the consequences.

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

[Sundiata]

Personally, I believe that Christians in Utah should pray more for people who struggle with their sexuality and work to welcome them within their churches.

[Sundiata]

People should be warned that the evidence for conversion therapy is essentially nonexistent, but adults have the right to make those decisions if they understand the consequences.

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

Yes, the state has a responsibility to all of its citizens, homosexual or not.

[Geneviev]

People should be warned that the evidence for conversion therapy is essentially nonexistent, but adults have the right to make those decisions if they understand the consequences.

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

Yes, that would be ideal. Or they should not be allowed to advertise at all.

[San Lumen]

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

Yes, that would be ideal. Or they should not be allowed to advertise at all.

or just ban it altogether since its utter quackery

[New Paine]

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

Yes, the state has a responsibility to all of its citizens, homosexual or not.

I’ve heard of gay Catholics getting recommendations to ex-gay therapists from their Priests....and this also applies to other religions as well....

[Gormwood]

Is there even a study on the "success" rate of conversion therapy?

[Samadhi]

Conversion therapy should only be legal for adults, period and end of story.

Why should fraud be legal at all ?

Because consenting harm is not a legal matter. We already allow it in things like, chemotherapy, voting, French cinema, boy bands, piercings, living in land locked countries and boy bands.

Most of them are more harmful than conversion therapy.

[Sundiata]

Yes, the state has a responsibility to all of its citizens, homosexual or not.

I’ve heard of gay Catholics getting recommendations to ex-gay therapists from their Priests....and this also applies to other religions as well....

Priests are not experts in psychology.

[New Paine]

Why should fraud be legal at all ?

Because consenting harm is not a legal matter. We already allow it in things like, chemotherapy, voting, French cinema, boy bands, piercings, living in land locked countries and boy bands.

Most of them are more harmful than conversion therapy.

I would say boy band provided lots of moments of....private entertainment for myself growing up, however my own attempts at conversion therapy(no therapist, just lots of praying and a “support group” within my Church that encouraged those with “same-sex attraction“ to be “chase”) just made me hate myself and other people.

So, Boy bands yes.

Conversion therapy, no.

[Samadhi]

Because consenting harm is not a legal matter. We already allow it in things like, chemotherapy, voting, French cinema, boy bands, piercings, living in land locked countries and boy bands.

Most of them are more harmful than conversion therapy.

I would say boy band provided lots of moments of....private entertainment for myself growing up, however my own attempts at conversion therapy(no therapist, just lots of praying and a “support group” within my Church that encouraged those with “same-sex attraction“ to be “chase”) just made me hate myself and other people.

So, Boy bands yes.

Conversion therapy, no.

Both yes, if it's your thing.

[Red Roja]

Ban it for minors, sure. But, let adults make their own choices.

[Penguin Union Nation]

I suppose there's a market for everything, if you're desperate enough, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I don't think sexuality is something that can be necessarily converted. Maybe suppressed, but hardly changed.

My personal stance is, I think it does more harm than good, so I don't shed a tear for any bans. But people can choose to do what they want.

[Salandriagado]

Conversion therapy does not work period.

That wasn't the question. How does conversion therapy work, exactly? The kind that was mentioned in the beginning of the thread.

"Torture people until they tell you what you want to hear" is the main approach.

[Cedoria]

People should be warned that the evidence for conversion therapy is essentially nonexistent, but adults have the right to make those decisions if they understand the consequences.

So they should be forced to advertise with "give us your money for an unpleasant experience that will not solve your problem" ?

If we have to accept it being legal even for adults (which I don't) then sure.

Make em advertise with: This practice is harmful, doesn't solve your problems and will seriously damage your health.

Tobacco companies have to do it now in many places. Don't see how this is different.

[Sundiata]

I would say boy band provided lots of moments of....private entertainment for myself growing up, however my own attempts at conversion therapy(no therapist, just lots of praying and a “support group” within my Church that encouraged those with “same-sex attraction“ to be “chase”) just made me hate myself and other people.

I want you to know that despite your "same-sex attraction," God loves you as you are.

I'm sorry for your struggle with the faith and encourage you to keep it. The way of Christ is certainly not an easy path but please don't turn your back on him, he hasn't turned his back on you.

He has so much to give you in this life and in heaven.

[Neutraligon]

It seems to me Conversion Therapy is medical in nature and as such should be treated as such, including regulation on advertising and recommendation.

[Sundiata]

It seems to me Conversion Therapy is medical in nature and as such should be treated as such, including regulation on advertising and recommendation.

I completely agree.

[Gormwood]

It seems to me Conversion Therapy is medical in nature and as such should be treated as such, including regulation on advertising and recommendation.

Like... people who practice conversion therapy being required to have hospital admitting privileges.

[Geneviev]

Yes, that would be ideal. Or they should not be allowed to advertise at all.

or just ban it altogether since its utter quackery

Utter quackery isn't always banned, though. It's perfectly legal for adults to ignore actual medicine as long as it's not forced on children.

[San Lumen]

or just ban it altogether since its utter quackery

Utter quackery isn't always banned, though. It's perfectly legal for adults to ignore actual medicine as long as it's not forced on children.

As long as its not forced on children I suppose im ok with that.

[Aclion]

Laws should be imposed that prevent such therapy from being compulsory in any circumstance, but I don't think it should be completely outlawed.

It can never be consensual when minors are involved, and while it's arguable that adults can choose it if they want to, it is still fraud.

It'd only be fraud if they're charging for the service.

It seems to me Conversion Therapy is medical in nature and as such should be treated as such, including regulation on advertising and recommendation.

It's more like behavioral therapy, which isn't nearly as regulated. It's basically the same scam as AA after all.