Utah Bans Conversion Therapy

[San Lumen]

Here's my take on conversion therapy: It's very, very questionable, and is not medically sound. However, it's not the government's business. As such, conversion therapy ought be legal, but only when the patient consents. They can make their own decisions, and if they decide they want to try something to make them straight instead of gay, even if that something is rather foolish and unscientific, it is their right to try that. But parents taking their children to conversion therapy... that's pretty problematic.

Agreed. Though, I think it should be outlawed for children to prevent parents from forcing them to go, while leaving it legal for consenting adults.

I'm fine with this current ban, as all the articles I read seem to imply that the ban only applies to minors. I would be opposed to an complete ban that applies to everyone.

Most bans do only apply to minors and its that's the demographic its largely practiced on.

[Cekoviu]

Yet another NSG thread about Utah that simultaneously embarrasses and embiggens us.

[Satuga]

Cool, I feel like this thread is just going to be a bunch of "Oh ok." Personally children should obviously never be forced or coerced into this, but if it's a consenting adult doing it to themselves then that's their business.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Good. More anti science nonsense get's yeeted in the trash as it belongs.

[Cekoviu]

Utah has always been a more moderate state.

You thinking of the same Utah I'm thinking of?

Utah may look nominally like a reactionary theocratic hellhole to people who don't really understand its internal politics, but it's significantly more intricate and complex than that.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Agreed. Though, I think it should be outlawed for children to prevent parents from forcing them to go, while leaving it legal for consenting adults.

I'm fine with this current ban, as all the articles I read seem to imply that the ban only applies to minors. I would be opposed to an complete ban that applies to everyone.

Most bans do only apply to minors and its that's the demographic its largely practiced on.

I was aware of the latter but not the former.

[Antityranicals]

Here's my take on conversion therapy: It's very, very questionable, and is not medically sound. However, it's not the government's business. As such, conversion therapy ought be legal, but only when the patient consents. They can make their own decisions, and if they decide they want to try something to make them straight instead of gay, even if that something is rather foolish and unscientific, it is their right to try that. But parents taking their children to conversion therapy... that's pretty problematic.

Do you think it should be outlawed for children?

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

[San Lumen]

Do you think it should be outlawed for children?

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

Why not eighteen? That's when one is considered a an adult

[Satuga]

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

Why not eighteen? That's when one is considered a an adult

Sixteen in a lot of states is considered legal age of consent, with 17 being legal age to move out.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Do you think it should be outlawed for children?

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

Make the minimum age 99999 years old.

[Heloin]

You thinking of the same Utah I'm thinking of?

Utah may look nominally like a reactionary theocratic hellhole to people who don't really understand its internal politics, but it's significantly more intricate and complex than that.

It's clearly not a theocratic hellhole but it still is one of the most conservative states out there.

[Sperio]

Do you think it should be outlawed for children?

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

How about the min age is 25

[Satuga]

I think that there should be a minimum age, maybe sixteen.

How about the min age is 25

I think a 20 year old is more than capable of determining their own sexuality lol.

[Gormwood]

Finally some progress in Utah. Still, feels like the Mormon Church decided to throw a bone after engineering the Proposition 8 campaign in California.

[Gormwood]

How about the min age is 25

I think a 20 year old is more than capable of determining their own sexuality lol.

Too young to drink and smoke, old enough to screw around.

[Satuga]

I think a 20 year old is more than capable of determining their own sexuality lol.

Too young to drink and smoke, old enough to screw around.

Gorm this is a discussion about Conversion/sexuality, let's not turn this into a debate about how old some should be to do X and Y.

[San Lumen]

Finally some progress in Utah. Still, feels like the Mormon Church decided to throw a bone after engineering the Proposition 8 campaign in California.

Utah is also a state where discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal in employment and housing

[Cekoviu]

Utah may look nominally like a reactionary theocratic hellhole to people who don't really understand its internal politics, but it's significantly more intricate and complex than that.

It's clearly not a theocratic hellhole but it still is one of the most conservative states out there.

Only if you define conservative as Republican, which is not accurate or fair.

[Major-Tom]

Wait, only the 19th state? I was daft as fuck to assume that it was almost universally banned (barring a few holdout states, obviously). Christ.

[San Lumen]

Wait, only the 19th state? I was daft as fuck to assume that it was almost universally banned (barring a few holdout states, obviously). Christ.

Yeah its quite sad there is no universal ban on this quackery already. Only 65 municipalities have banned it as well according to this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... on_therapy

The most recent being Columbia, Missouri, Kansas City, Minneapolis, St Louis and Duluth. Some of the local bans are in states were its banned statewide so the local ban is redundant however it is worth noting they were passed before the statewide ban was implemented.

[Andsed]

Nice. Conversion therapy can go fuck itself.

[Gormwood]

It's clearly not a theocratic hellhole but it still is one of the most conservative states out there.

Only if you define conservative as Republican, which is not accurate or fair.

The Republicans tend to pander to the religious right with constant talk of Religious Freedom (except for Muslims, because they're all terrorists) like the U.S. is always on the verge of an atheist-led crackdown.

[Cekoviu]

Only if you define conservative as Republican, which is not accurate or fair.

The Republicans tend to pander to the religious right with constant talk of Religious Freedom (except for Muslims, because they're all terrorists) like the U.S. is always on the verge of an atheist-led crackdown.

Wut

[Gormwood]

The Republicans tend to pander to the religious right with constant talk of Religious Freedom (except for Muslims, because they're all terrorists) like the U.S. is always on the verge of an atheist-led crackdown.

Wut

So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?

[Satuga]

Wut

So when did Democrats defend allowing religious or sexual discrimination as "religious freedom"?

What?