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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:43 am

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Honestly, these people deserve to have the full weight of the CCP fall upon them.


Nope. They did not vote CCP into power. The Chinese civilians are not responsible for the cancer of Sinostatism.

It's a "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" sort of thing. The CCP are scum, but for the most part it's only Chinese citizens who get killed because of their actions.

People who deliberately disobey a medical quarantine are a threat to all of us.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:02 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
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Big difference herein is that Ebola is way too deadly to form a viable pandemic; it kills too fast.


Sure, but it is what it is, a simulation. They account for worst case scenarios, best case scenarios, and all the space in between, but it's often the former. Secondly, Coronavirus covers a broad spectrum of viruses under the same name. You have some that'll give you a nasty cough for a week and others that'll turn your respiratory system into silly putty.

Seeing as this particular coronavirus is still less fatal than SARS and seems to really hit those 75+ with the diagnosis of death, I don't imagine this will snowball into a "brutal pandemic."

If I'm wrong, well, chances are I'll be dead so meh.


It seems to have an R spread of 2.5 which puts it on the same level as 1918.
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Postby Mzeusia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:40 pm

First two confirmed cases in Europe. France to be precise.
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Postby Valentian Elysium » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:11 pm

Woman traced in France after boasting about evading airport health check
A woman who travelled to France from Wuhan has been tracked down after claiming she took drugs to mask potential symptoms of a deadly virus at the airport, according to authorities.

*facepalm*
D-don't do this. Please. Especially at a time like this
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:32 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Sure, but it is what it is, a simulation. They account for worst case scenarios, best case scenarios, and all the space in between, but it's often the former. Secondly, Coronavirus covers a broad spectrum of viruses under the same name. You have some that'll give you a nasty cough for a week and others that'll turn your respiratory system into silly putty.

Seeing as this particular coronavirus is still less fatal than SARS and seems to really hit those 75+ with the diagnosis of death, I don't imagine this will snowball into a "brutal pandemic."

If I'm wrong, well, chances are I'll be dead so meh.


It seems to have an R spread of 2.5 which puts it on the same level as 1918.


Not sure if that's an accurate tweet or not, but I've seen that stat thrown around. I'm doubtful it's that bad, but if so, then I suppose I got mountains nearby I can flee to need be. God damn.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:43 pm

Valentian Elysium wrote:Woman traced in France after boasting about evading airport health check
A woman who travelled to France from Wuhan has been tracked down after claiming she took drugs to mask potential symptoms of a deadly virus at the airport, according to authorities.

*facepalm*
D-don't do this. Please. Especially at a time like this

When France abolished the death penalty, it made a huge mistake.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:45 pm

Catburg wrote:
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Please find me a fuck to give. These dumbasses have exposed millions of people to this disease, and they know it too.


You meant the carriers? Do they even know that they have Wuhan coronavirus at all?


I hate the Chinese government with a burning passion, really, but to hear of people fleeing the quarantine zone when they clearly know that they themselves may be a threat?

Yeah, maybe those people deserve to be punished for reckless endangerment.

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Postby Pacomia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:09 pm

The number of confirmed cases has reached 1000.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:52 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Catburg wrote:
You meant the carriers? Do they even know that they have Wuhan coronavirus at all?


I hate the Chinese government with a burning passion, really, but to hear of people fleeing the quarantine zone when they clearly know that they themselves may be a threat?

Yeah, maybe those people deserve to be punished for reckless endangerment.

Honestly, yes. This is a very dangerous thing. They need to be quarantined.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:22 pm

Valentian Elysium wrote:Woman traced in France after boasting about evading airport health check
A woman who travelled to France from Wuhan has been tracked down after claiming she took drugs to mask potential symptoms of a deadly virus at the airport, according to authorities.

*facepalm*
D-don't do this. Please. Especially at a time like this

And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:31 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Valentian Elysium wrote:Woman traced in France after boasting about evading airport health check

*facepalm*
D-don't do this. Please. Especially at a time like this

And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.

And then everyone else thinks all Chinese people are the same, making more people hate chinese people. All because someone thought that greed came first
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:39 pm

Indonesia has around three suspected cases; two in Jakarta and one in Bali. The first case in Jakarta is overruled as negative, and the second one is still unknown.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Valentian Elysium wrote:Woman traced in France after boasting about evading airport health check

*facepalm*
D-don't do this. Please. Especially at a time like this

And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.

Damn

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:46 pm

BBC and French news reports (use google translate) on the Lyon case.
Of note is:
Local media also indicate that the phrase " Escape From Wuhan" , or escape from Wuhan, has become one of the most searched keywords on the Weibo search engine.

PRC has turned into some parody of a zombie outbreak.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:11 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.


Common sense appears to be highly lacking as well. If I were sick and living in a city with a novel virus outbreak with a pretty high mortality rate I would stay at home rather than risk being shipped home in a box.
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Postby Catburg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.

And then everyone else thinks all Chinese people are the same, making more people hate chinese people. All because someone thought that greed came first


Chinese people born outside PRC don’t tend to behave like that. PRC is basically a social disaster area.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:41 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And she went and poisoned quite deliberately a whole restaurant in Lyon.
Permit me as a Chinese living in Sweden to illustrate the PRC'ian mentality:
"I bought these expensive tickets. I have fever. But if I don't go I lose out."
"Damn the consequences I need my expensive money wasting vacation"
"I need to show my friends how rich I am"
In short, these sort of behaviour are motivated by naught but vanity and greed.


Common sense appears to be highly lacking as well. If I were sick and living in a city with a novel virus outbreak with a pretty high mortality rate I would stay at home rather than risk being shipped home in a box.


If someone locks down my city because of a scary new disease then I'm trying to get out of there. It's just basic self preservation. Or do you not believe in self defence?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Common sense appears to be highly lacking as well. If I were sick and living in a city with a novel virus outbreak with a pretty high mortality rate I would stay at home rather than risk being shipped home in a box.


If someone locks down my city because of a scary new disease then I'm trying to get out of there. It's just basic self preservation. Or do you not believe in self defence?

This lady went to Lyon for a luxurious vacation... while sick, while from Wuhan. I do not see how this is defensible behaviour.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:52 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:03 pm

Catburg wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And then everyone else thinks all Chinese people are the same, making more people hate chinese people. All because someone thought that greed came first


Chinese people born outside PRC don’t tend to behave like that. PRC is basically a social disaster area.

I’m well aware. It’s just that the stereotype transfers to all members of the group
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Postby Catburg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Catburg wrote:
Chinese people born outside PRC don’t tend to behave like that. PRC is basically a social disaster area.

I’m well aware. It’s just that the stereotype transfers to all members of the group


I know. Fortunately Sinostatism as a secular ideology is not that hard to clean up compared to issues in the Middle East for example. We just need to actually do it.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Common sense appears to be highly lacking as well. If I were sick and living in a city with a novel virus outbreak with a pretty high mortality rate I would stay at home rather than risk being shipped home in a box.


If someone locks down my city because of a scary new disease then I'm trying to get out of there. It's just basic self preservation. Or do you not believe in self defence?


Would you boast about it on social media though?
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Postby Catburg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:15 pm

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/artic ... -spengler/

China is amoral familist due to Confucianism. Note that such amoral familism could be corrected and is corrected in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:23 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
If someone locks down my city because of a scary new disease then I'm trying to get out of there. It's just basic self preservation. Or do you not believe in self defence?

This lady went to Lyon for a luxurious vacation... while sick, while from Wuhan. I do not see how this is defensible behaviour.


She was a dick. I'm more talking about those who bugged out to the rest of China while having symptoms.

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Postby True Refuge » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This lady went to Lyon for a luxurious vacation... while sick, while from Wuhan. I do not see how this is defensible behaviour.


She was a dick. I'm more talking about those who bugged out to the rest of China while having symptoms.


A person’s rights end where others’ begin. Making the conscious decision to evade quarantine while sick or possibly sick is an intolerable crime.
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Postby Tarchuna and Ravenna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:32 pm

Catburg wrote:https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/article/you-can-never-be-chinas-friend-spengler/

China is amoral familist due to Confucianism. Note that such amoral familism could be corrected and is corrected in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.


You're overgeneralizing.

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