The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Gormwood]

So basically Pence's job is information control - all public statements about Coronavirus must go through his office.

Trump fell in love with Xi Jinping. Oh bother...

[Window Land]

Or, because the symptoms are generally fairly mild, and there are a large number of otc drugs to help deal with those symptoms, the flu is often a disease you can work through.

This is for the average person. You never know about children, elderly, weak immune systems, or any other factor that could give people a disadvantage when fighting illnesses in your body. Flu can be lethal and can kill. It kills tens of thousands every year. Not to mention that the flu thrives in close environments, as evidenced as flu season starting when students get back to school.

Yes, I know this, and the fact that I was referencing the average person strengthens my point. As for schools being petri dishes, I currently have a cold that I am pretty sure a classmate gave to me. If you have a fever, stay home from school/work. Your classmates/coworkers will thank you for it.

[Chessmistress]

well, this coronavirus thread page is the worst i ve ever seen in this forum. i mean most senseless and folclore.

the forum has sunk into few people’s not so intelligent arguing, yet this page with not for laughing appeals for cospirations and plagues has beaten all.

It could be worse, at least now some are beginning to realize what's going to happen if the coronavirus will spread to USA, with people going to work and not seeking for healthcare because they don't have enough money.
IMHO if a spread in USA will happen, then the way China dealt with the virus will seem like a virtuous example, by comparison.

[Ethel mermania]

well, this coronavirus thread page is the worst i ve ever seen in this forum. i mean most senseless and folclore.

the forum has sunk into few people’s not so intelligent arguing, yet this page with not for laughing appeals for cospirations and plagues has beaten all.

It could be worse, at least now some are beginning to realize what's going to happen if the coronavirus will spread to USA, with people going to work and not seeking for healthcare because they don't have enough money.
IMHO if a spread in USA will happen, then the way China dealt with the virus will seem like a virtuous example, by comparison.

The symptoms are the symptoms of a mild upper respiratory infection folks generally dont run to the medics for that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It could be worse, at least now some are beginning to realize what's going to happen if the coronavirus will spread to USA, with people going to work and not seeking for healthcare because they don't have enough money.
IMHO if a spread in USA will happen, then the way China dealt with the virus will seem like a virtuous example, by comparison.

The symptoms are the symptoms of a mild upper respiratory infection folks generally dont run to the medics for that.

PRC'ians do however which I suspect is a big factor in the uncontrollable spread in the PRC.

[Great Algerstonia]

If I could get a dollar for every time Novus America said this...


This is for the average person. You never know about children, elderly, weak immune systems, or any other factor that could give people a disadvantage when fighting illnesses in your body. Flu can be lethal and can kill. It kills tens of thousands every year. Not to mention that the flu thrives in close environments, as evidenced as flu season starting when students get back to school.

In my defense I would not need to keep repeating it if people stopped saying silly stuff like “we should just listen to the WHO!”.

I was just teasing. "Listen to WHO!" is quite an apathetic viewpoint.

[Kandorith]

First patient confirmed in The Netherlands, the patient in question was apparently turned away from the doctor's over three days ago. With a case of a "mild flu"

Wahey

[Major-Tom]

So apparently the Pope has been infected.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... sufferers/

Not necessarily, it isn't confirmed. What unnerves me are the cases of top government officials in Iran getting sick in droves. If that country only has a thousand or so infected, wouldn't it stand to reason that those in government, like, wouldn't be sick? I think the numbers are astronomically higher in Iran than is being reported, and I'm sure the same goes for Italy.

It's in part because it's tough to report - it mimics common flu-like symptoms, so there are likely tons of people with the virus that simply think it's a bad winter cough.

[Nakena]

So apparently the Pope has been infected.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... sufferers/

Not necessarily, it isn't confirmed. What unnerves me are the cases of top government officials in Iran getting sick in droves. If that country only has a thousand or so infected, wouldn't it stand to reason that those in government, like, wouldn't be sick? I think the numbers are astronomically higher in Iran than is being reported, and I'm sure the same goes for Italy.

It's in part because it's tough to report - it mimics common flu-like symptoms, so there are likely tons of people with the virus that simply think it's a bad winter cough.

Probably it comes from them in denial and ther vice-health minister sick, from there it spreads.

[Major-Tom]

Not necessarily, it isn't confirmed. What unnerves me are the cases of top government officials in Iran getting sick in droves. If that country only has a thousand or so infected, wouldn't it stand to reason that those in government, like, wouldn't be sick? I think the numbers are astronomically higher in Iran than is being reported, and I'm sure the same goes for Italy.

It's in part because it's tough to report - it mimics common flu-like symptoms, so there are likely tons of people with the virus that simply think it's a bad winter cough.

Probably it comes from them in denial and ther vice-health minister sick, from there it spreads.

Sure, but the question is, how did it reach the Health Minister in the first place? They're not from Qom, but from wealthy pockets of Tehran that theoretically would be isolated from this virus if the reports that it's a provincial problem were at all true.

I can't speak for Italy, but I'd venture that it's looking fucking nasty in Iran.

[Novus America]

well, this coronavirus thread page is the worst i ve ever seen in this forum. i mean most senseless and folclore.

the forum has sunk into few people’s not so intelligent arguing, yet this page with not for laughing appeals for cospirations and plagues has beaten all.

It could be worse, at least now some are beginning to realize what's going to happen if the coronavirus will spread to USA, with people going to work and not seeking for healthcare because they don't have enough money.
IMHO if a spread in USA will happen, then the way China dealt with the virus will seem like a virtuous example, by comparison.

I doubt that. The US has the advantage (and disadvantages but the advantages outweigh those) of an extremely federalize structure. Local governments here can take action without waiting for a central government to approve, allowing us to react much faster. Plus can report information without fear of reprisals.

Big bureaucracies suck at this sort of thing. Because they are too slow are too far removed.

[Pyrghium]

It could be worse, at least now some are beginning to realize what's going to happen if the coronavirus will spread to USA, with people going to work and not seeking for healthcare because they don't have enough money.
IMHO if a spread in USA will happen, then the way China dealt with the virus will seem like a virtuous example, by comparison.

I doubt that. The US has the advantage (and disadvantages but the advantages outweigh those) of an extremely federalize structure. Local governments here can take action without waiting for a central government to approve, allowing us to react much faster. Plus can report information without fear of reprisals.

Big bureaucracies suck at this sort of thing. Because they are too slow are too far removed.

The only issue is that the Government response to this crisis is being politicized. You have Trump downplaying the whole thing, and saying “Everything’s gonna be ok, don’t worry about it”, and you have the Democrats trying to capitalize on it, to make the President look weak and incompetent, in the face of “such a serious threat”. This sows confusion and sends a mixed signal both to the Government and the civilian population.

[Nakena]

Probably it comes from them in denial and ther vice-health minister sick, from there it spreads.

Sure, but the question is, how did it reach the Health Minister in the first place? They're not from Qom, but from wealthy pockets of Tehran that theoretically would be isolated from this virus if the reports that it's a provincial problem were at all true.

I can't speak for Italy, but I'd venture that it's looking fucking nasty in Iran.

I suspect he visited some quarantained area or so. He must have come close to the virus through his job.

[Thermodolia]

Dow Jones Drops by 1,200 points. Worst day since 2011

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I doubt that. The US has the advantage (and disadvantages but the advantages outweigh those) of an extremely federalize structure. Local governments here can take action without waiting for a central government to approve, allowing us to react much faster. Plus can report information without fear of reprisals.

Big bureaucracies suck at this sort of thing. Because they are too slow are too far removed.

The only issue is that the Government response to this crisis is being politicized. You have Trump downplaying the whole thing, and saying “Everything’s gonna be ok, don’t worry about it”, and you have the Democrats trying to capitalize on it, to make the President look weak and incompetent, in the face of “such a serious threat”. This sows confusion and sends a mixed signal both to the Government and the civilian population.

Of course it is. And just in time for the 2020 campaign. This will drive some people crazy, which could add to any emergency.

[Thermodolia]

The only issue is that the Government response to this crisis is being politicized. You have Trump downplaying the whole thing, and saying “Everything’s gonna be ok, don’t worry about it”, and you have the Democrats trying to capitalize on it, to make the President look weak and incompetent, in the face of “such a serious threat”. This sows confusion and sends a mixed signal both to the Government and the civilian population.

Of course it is. And just in time for the 2020 campaign. This will drive some people crazy, which could add to any emergency.

Compound this with the economic woes and we are in for a rough time

[Farnhamia]

Right about $1000 to $2000 for the visit. Assuming the tests come back positive it runs around $1000 to $5000 per day spent in hospital. Prices vary greatly by region and insurance though.

Ew. So much ew.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (1986) called. It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment. Since very few hospitals in the US do not accept Medicare, the EMTALA means that you can go to just about any hospital and get care.

[Stylan]

Is anyone else genuinely starting to think this could be either the collapse finally happening or something very similar?

[Farnhamia]

Is anyone else genuinely starting to think this could be either the collapse finally happening or something very similar?

No.

[Kandorith]

-snip-

I don't mind Trump that much but hey he's not my president, however indeed the politicizing of this is just a no.

However I do think it is good to downplay it a little bit, there's too much fear mongering, rumors and blatant fake news spreading on the virus.

I just hope the USA can indeed contain it before it becomes a national outbreak for them.

Godspeed USA o/

[Washington Resistance Army]

Is anyone else genuinely starting to think this could be either the collapse finally happening or something very similar?

There will never be a collapse. Not in the way you're thinking at least.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Of course it is. And just in time for the 2020 campaign. This will drive some people crazy, which could add to any emergency.

Compound this with the economic woes and we are in for a rough time

Oh, we may absolutely be, because I can’t trust the current establishment to treat this with the actual facts to inform people correctly. It’s going to be this band said do this, while the other downplays it. Add media to spice it all up.

It’s not about downplaying or alarming. Strive to keep your population well informed on what it needs to do in the event of a CoVID emergency in their area.

[Ethel mermania]

Is anyone else genuinely starting to think this could be either the collapse finally happening or something very similar?

Only chicken little would think that.

We survived sars, we survived the swine flu, we survived the 1919 flu epidemic. We will survive this too. Even if the Olympics get canceled, its temporary.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

-snip-

I don't mind Trump that much but hey he's not my president, however indeed the politicizing of this is just a no.

However I do think it is good to downplay it a little bit, there's too much fear mongering, rumors and blatant fake news spreading on the virus.

I just hope the USA can indeed contain it before it becomes a national outbreak for them.

Godspeed USA o/

Not downplay it to the point that people just do nothing to keep themselves as safe as possible, no.

[Stylan]

Is anyone else genuinely starting to think this could be either the collapse finally happening or something very similar?

There will never be a collapse. Not in the way you're thinking at least.

No, there will be, it's just a matter of whether it will happen in 100 years (unlikely) or 5000 years.
Eventually man will destroy the Earth through climate change, or nuclear warfare, or something similar, and the Earth will become unhospitable, but once humanity dies off for good, the Earth will correct itself, and the process will begin again.