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Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:08 am**

dunno why you guys keep looking at the death tolls when by the look of things, it's the rate of infection over time that's a better indicator of the effectiveness of containment efforts

i mean, death is bad, but managing thousands and thousands of sick people at a time with the expectation of even more can seriously ruin nations if left unchecked

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:09 am**

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Making sure that this time, the Arks are not safe.

Who the hell is named Noah, anymore? But if you find someone stick closeby.

I know a Noah.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:09 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:so I was curious about something:

I wanted to see how much corona, if it was 10 times as bad as it is right now in Britain, would actually be. So the UK had about 170 deaths when I last looked, and it goes up by about 50 a day, to be generous to the virus. Last year, half a million people died in England alone. A quarter of those people died of cancer, 125000 people. If 70 people died every day it would equate to 25550 deaths per year, about 1/5 that of cancer. If 700 people died per year in Britain from the virus, it would equate to about the same amount of deaths as heart disease and stroke. This is also the amount of deaths that were predicted by the governments computer modelling should we do absolutely nothing about it.

Think: we are sacrificing our eeconomy for probably the rest of the year in order to prevent the sort of numbers of deaths we would shrug our shoulders at if they came from any other source. The only reason we have such an overblown response to this virus is that it is new.

The problem is that a good bit of those who survive have decreased lung function

The problem is that it's impossible to avoid it becoming commonplace at this point. All we're managing is making life harder to slow the virus down a bit, not stopping it.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:10 am**

Luminesa wrote:Do you not have grandparents?

All of mine have passed away except for one, being that I'm approaching 31 soon. She is in a nursing home where realistically speaking, she is nothing more than a burden because her body has broken down on her if she is in 90+ range. She is entitled to live there because she is using the money that was gotten from selling her house when she couldn't live there anymore, practically speaking. But I can guarantee that she'd be kicked out or abandoned as soon as that money ran out. Unless she were able to be covered by Medicaid.

It is all over for you in terms of freedom, if you lose your physical mobility or if you become poor enough.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:12 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
So much for flattening the curve.

If anything it means that what China did might be the only way

Not quite. It means things are going roughly as expected. It's still to early to tell if it worked or not - they're starting to remove their restrictions now, so we'll see if they get a new outbreak.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:13 am**

Luminesa wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Frank should get the first priority in my view. He is the closest to prime physical and reproductive age and can readily do military service if not become employed because they're still young enough to have the lack of a good resume be justifiable.

Frank is 19 and will be fine. But if he gets sick with Coronavirus, chances are he can’t enter the military. And he certainly cannot have sex for a while. Even so, Frank will recover without one, most of the time. He just needs to stay home and rest. Maria may need it if she has underlying conditions, or if she’s immunocompromised, but otherwise her age means she’s still not really in the danger zone. Sofia probably won’t even get Coronavirus (I’ve noticed this virus seems to skip children or makes them asymptomatic carriers). Giuseppe needs the ventilator. He won’t live without it. When pneumonia hits the elderly, it can be deadly. Source? I’ve watched it happen. Your answer just shows you would rather pay attention to worshipping some fantasy of male virility than to the reality of illness.

Not to mention that there is a possibility that people could have decreased lung function because of this

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:13 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The problem is that a good bit of those who survive have decreased lung function

The problem is that it's impossible to avoid it becoming commonplace at this point. All we're managing is making life harder to slow the virus down a bit, not stopping it.

That's exactly what we're trying to do, slow down the spread of the virus so hospitals aren't overwhelmed by the number of sick people.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:13 am**

Moscareinas wrote:dunno why you guys keep looking at the death tolls when by the look of things, it's the rate of infection over time that's a better indicator of the effectiveness of containment efforts

i mean, death is bad, but managing thousands and thousands of sick people at a time with the expectation of even more can seriously ruin nations if left unchecked

Because the infection over time figures are hopelessly unreliable due to the limitations of testing at present. The death rates are a reasonable proxy for what the infection rate was a week ago, which is better than nothing.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:14 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The problem is that a good bit of those who survive have decreased lung function

The problem is that it's impossible to avoid it becoming commonplace at this point. All we're managing is making life harder to slow the virus down a bit, not stopping it.

And in the process, saving millions of lives. Because slower outbreaks overwhelm healthcare systems less.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:15 am**

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Do you not have grandparents?

All of mine have passed away except for one, being that I'm approaching 31 soon. She is in a nursing home where realistically speaking, she is nothing more than a burden because her body has broken down on her if she is in 90+ range. She is entitled to live there because she is using the money that was gotten from selling her house when she couldn't live there anymore, practically speaking. But I can guarantee that she'd be kicked out or abandoned as soon as that money ran out. Unless she were able to be covered by Medicaid.

It is all over for you in terms of freedom, if you lose your physical mobility or if you become poor enough.

I know a lot of disabled people who'd disagree with the last part of your post.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:16 am**

Nakena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m going to be seriously surprised if when this is all over with several nations don’t overthrow their governments

It might happen somewhere down the road. Specifically in places with already weak institutions.

My guess is Italy and Iran will fall first

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:16 am**

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The problem is that it's impossible to avoid it becoming commonplace at this point. All we're managing is making life harder to slow the virus down a bit, not stopping it.

And in the process, saving millions of lives. Because slower outbreaks overwhelm healthcare systems less.

What do you reckon is the monetary value of a life?

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:17 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It might happen somewhere down the road. Specifically in places with already weak institutions.

My guess is Italy and Iran will fall first

Italy won't violently overthrow its government, just vote them out. Probably will go far right.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:17 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It might happen somewhere down the road. Specifically in places with already weak institutions.

My guess is Italy and Iran will fall first

not till after this contagion abates, and iran in all likelihood, because youth percentage

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:18 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
And in the process, saving millions of lives. Because slower outbreaks overwhelm healthcare systems less.

What do you reckon is the monetary value of a life?

people living and not sick means they actually contribute to the economy over a longer timespan

people living yet sick, well, you know

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:19 am**

More people have now died in Iran's Fars province from alcohol poisoning while trying to protect themselves from the coronavirus than from the disease itself, Iranian media report.

Mohammad Javad Moradian, the director of the province's emergency services centre, told Isna news agency that Covid-19 had killed 13 people in Fars, while 66 have died after drinking industrial-strength alcohol.

A persistent rumour in Iran claims that drinking alcohol helps protect individuals from contracting the virus.

Just...brilliant. Really needs to be a crackdown on lies about this epidemic.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:19 am**

Moscareinas wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What do you reckon is the monetary value of a life?

people living and not sick means they actually contribute to the economy over a longer timespan

people living yet sick, well, you know

Yeah, I know. But when it comes to people past retirement age, how much are their lives actually worth, just in terms of monetary (rather than sentimental) value?

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:19 am**

Moscareinas wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My guess is Italy and Iran will fall first

not till after this contagion abates, and iran in all likelihood, because youth percentage

Did you not read my posts? I specifically said when this is all over with

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:20 am**

Fartsniffage wrote:
More people have now died in Iran's Fars province from alcohol poisoning while trying to protect themselves from the coronavirus than from the disease itself, Iranian media report.

Mohammad Javad Moradian, the director of the province's emergency services centre, told Isna news agency that Covid-19 had killed 13 people in Fars, while 66 have died after drinking industrial-strength alcohol.

A persistent rumour in Iran claims that drinking alcohol helps protect individuals from contracting the virus.

Just...brilliant. Really needs to be a crackdown on lies about this epidemic.

Darwin always wins in the end.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:21 am**

Fartsniffage wrote:
More people have now died in Iran's Fars province from alcohol poisoning while trying to protect themselves from the coronavirus than from the disease itself, Iranian media report.

Mohammad Javad Moradian, the director of the province's emergency services centre, told Isna news agency that Covid-19 had killed 13 people in Fars, while 66 have died after drinking industrial-strength alcohol.

A persistent rumour in Iran claims that drinking alcohol helps protect individuals from contracting the virus.

Just...brilliant. Really needs to be a crackdown on lies about this epidemic.

Theres some serious problems and overhelming spread in Iran. Also Khamanei continues to spread conspiracy theories over twitter.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:21 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
not till after this contagion abates, and iran in all likelihood, because youth percentage

Did you not read my posts? I specifically said when this is all over with

Does social distancing include not visiting large-scale violent revolutions?

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:21 am**

To quote a famous wise man by the name of CopperCab:

I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore!

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:23 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Did you not read my posts? I specifically said when this is all over with

Does social distancing include not visiting large-scale violent revolutions?

Supposedly those will happen if theres already an huge amount of immunes but the economy being hopelessy wrecked and structures being too in the gutter.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:24 am**

Moscareinas wrote:and of course trump goes on to tout the effectiveness of hydrochloroquine and azt like a literal snake-oil shill

His own CDC representative said they were only doing trials and were not gonna know immediately if it works.

And here's trump saying "this drug has been on the market for years and we're gonna use it to treat COVID almost immediately!"

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:24 am**

Nakena wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Does social distancing include not visiting large-scale violent revolutions?

Supposedly those will happen if theres already an huge amount of immunes but the economy being hopelessy wrecked and structures being too in the gutter.

According to what I've read, there are indeed a large number of individuals who are immune to the effects of the corona virus and do not develope any symptoms.

I would like to believe I'm one of them but after reading about what counts as a "pre-existing condition that could put you at risk for COVID killing you," and seeing that asthma as a child counts, I realized I actually may not survive the pandemic, which has shaken me to the core. I'm not gonna lie, I almost cried realizing I may actually die, because while my life is a pile of festering trash in a dumpster fire, I don't wanna end up in coffin for real.

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