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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:52 am

Valrifell wrote:
The South Falls wrote:This take is so hot I could cook dinner on it. Kudos to you.

COVID-19 is just the name of the resultant disease. Coronavirus is a class of viruses including SARS and MERS. Also SARS was South Asian Respiratory Syndrome, btw.


It actually stands for "Severe acute respiratory syndrome"

South asian, is what I remember
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:53 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
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General Secretary Xi Jinping is an SJW?

this is the hottest of takes

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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:53 am

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Kandorith wrote:Ooh a speech of the King of The Netherlands, I am sure this will bring some calmth and order in the country among all those panic buyers and idiots..

"We can not stop the coronavirus"

Well.... I'm out xD


I still remember Boris Johnson talking about herd immunity. That was probably one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history


Important point of order:

Boris Johnson is head of government; the Queen is head of state.

Also, no it really isn't 'one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history'. It may have been more than a little stupid, but history provides us with ample examples of far more catastrophic decisions.

I mean, it's not as if Johnson has invaded Russia in winter from the west recently.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:54 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

I think this is an excellent analysis. It’s basically saying we are making decisions without reliable data

Deblasio and cuomo? Yes.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:54 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I still remember Boris Johnson talking about herd immunity. That was probably one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history


Important point of order:

Boris Johnson is head of government; the Queen is head of state.

Also, no it really isn't 'one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history'. It may have been more than a little stupid, but history provides us with ample examples of far more catastrophic decisions.

I mean, it's not as if Johnson has invaded Russia in winter from the west recently.


Said, not did.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:54 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

I think this is an excellent analysis. It’s basically saying we are making decisions without reliable data

Deblasio and cuomo? Yes.

Do you therefore think the measures being taken are too extreme nationwide?

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:54 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It actually stands for "Severe acute respiratory syndrome"

South asian, is what I remember


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Postby Genivaria » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:55 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
General Secretary Xi Jinping is an SJW?

this is the hottest of takes


He's not, but he uses a common SJW talking point to deflect the blame.

He simply says its racist to blame the chinese government for this and SJWs in America begin parroting the line without any thought.

This satirical flag in a Danish newspaper was denounced as 'racist ' by the Chinese Communist Party and demanded an apology from the newspaper, the newspaper in question said no.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Deblasio and cuomo? Yes.

Do you therefore think the measures being taken are too extreme nationwide?

With regards to closing things down, no measure is too extreme, imo
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Another shitty take from Rojava. Any observational proof that these beliefs are being parroted or is this just you being pissy that people don't call the virus the thing you want it to be called?


My shitty take? Excuse me, I'm not the one who has a damn panic attack everytime someone mentions the chinese origin of corona virus. They had a reporter in the White House asking trump if calling it the China virus fuels anti chinese racism. Trump responded that the virus comes from China, and for the first time in his life is actually right about something.

China doesn't want this to stick to them, and they have a whole bunch of mindless useful idiots in the west trying to force everyone to stop pointing out the origin of COVID. Sorry, but I'm not gonna stop pointing out why and where this began.


Everyone knows the origin of the virus and changing the naming convention doesn't mean we all get stupid, holy shit this isn't a difficult concept to grasp. One reporter asking one question does not a problem make, you also understand. You keep bemoaning the "SJWs" this and the "SJWs" that, like holy fuck you have one example, dude slow it down.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am

The South Falls wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Do you therefore think the measures being taken are too extreme nationwide?

With regards to closing things down, no measure is too extreme, imo

I think some of it is

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I still remember Boris Johnson talking about herd immunity. That was probably one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history


Important point of order:

Boris Johnson is head of government; the Queen is head of state.

Also, no it really isn't 'one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history'. It may have been more than a little stupid, but history provides us with ample examples of far more catastrophic decisions.

I mean, it's not as if Johnson has invaded Russia in winter from the west recently.

It's like americans saying trump's handling of this is the worst ever. Now I am not going to argue it was particularly good, but as to worst ever, "President Buchanan would like a word"
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Postby New Bremerton » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am

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New Bremerton wrote:
I call it the coronavirus if I want to remain neutral, and Wuhan virus to spite Xi Jinping, the CCP and CHO (Chinese Health Organization). I absolutely refuse to call it Covid-19. What an incredibly stupid name. It's definitely a PC SJW thing because Xi is the King of SJWs hiding behind a pseudo-progressive veneer of combating Sinophobia, racism and white supremacy in order to silence any criticism from abroad, and Malaysian media outlets and government officials have been using this stupid term incessantly. I don't call it any kind of flu either, including Kung Flu, because flus are caused by influenzaviruses, not coronaviruses. Chinese virus is potentially misleading because we have the Wuhan virus, swine flu, SARS (Special Administrative Region Syndrome, a derisive reference to the Hong Kong SAR coined by none other than Hong Kongers themselves) and Asian flu, all of which originated in China.* But so is the term coronavirus. Best to call it Chinese corona or Wuhan corona if we want to be etymologically consistent.

*Hong Kong flu if we count Hong Kong as a part of China, which it fucking isn't if I have anything to say about it, and HK people are not to blame for the cultural failings of Mainland Chinese or the administrative failings of the CCP.

This take is so hot I could cook dinner on it. Kudos to you.

COVID-19 is just the name of the resultant disease. Coronavirus is a class of viruses including SARS and MERS. Also SARS was South Asian Respiratory Syndrome, btw.

How does calling it Corona stick it to the Chinese?


The Chinese Health Organization refuses to call it the Wuhan virus because something something Sinophobia. Dr. Tedros and the CHO have yet to say anything critical of China's response to the pandemic while criticizing the United States and other countries and saying stupid things like travel bans are counterproductive. I wonder why? How much were they paid by China to praise Xi to the rooftops? Covid-19 is a PC move by the CHO to please its Chinese masters.

SARS stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. I call it the Special Administrative Region Syndrome because the Chinese-ruled HK SAR government under then-Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa fucked up its response big time. I was there. I had to stay home from school and receive assignments online. MERS refers clearly to the Middle East. I don't hear Arabs and Muslims protesting. Spanish flu likely originated in France. When is Spain going to file a lawsuit?

I never said calling it corona is meant to stick it to the Chinese. Influenzavirus = influenza = flu. Coronavirus = corona. Etymology.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:59 am

The South Falls wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Do you therefore think the measures being taken are too extreme nationwide?

With regards to closing things down, no measure is too extreme, imo

Disagree, we can keep social distance without shutting down the world.
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Postby Vedan » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:59 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Another shitty take from Rojava. Any observational proof that these beliefs are being parroted or is this just you being pissy that people don't call the virus the thing you want it to be called?


My shitty take? Excuse me, I'm not the one who has a damn panic attack everytime someone mentions the chinese origin of corona virus. They had a reporter in the White House asking trump if calling it the China virus fuels anti chinese racism. Trump responded that the virus comes from China, and for the first time in his life is actually right about something.

China doesn't want this to stick to them, and they have a whole bunch of mindless useful idiots in the west trying to force everyone to stop pointing out the origin of COVID. Sorry, but I'm not gonna stop pointing out why and where this began.




^^^^^THIS^^^^

China is completly responsible for the Wuhan fever and its spread across the globe. The fact that they are trying to deny it and instead pin the blame on Uncle Sam speaks volumes on how little we can trust the CCP.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:00 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:With regards to closing things down, no measure is too extreme, imo

Disagree, we can keep social distance without shutting down the world.

That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:03 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Important point of order:

Boris Johnson is head of government; the Queen is head of state.

Also, no it really isn't 'one of the dumbest things a head of state ever said in history'. It may have been more than a little stupid, but history provides us with ample examples of far more catastrophic decisions.

I mean, it's not as if Johnson has invaded Russia in winter from the west recently.

It's like americans saying trump's handling of this is the worst ever. Now I am not going to argue it was particularly good, but as to worst ever, "President Buchanan would like a word"


Yeah he's my favorite president to rag on. His response to the incoming civil war was basically "aight, imma head out."
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Myfanwyski » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:03 pm

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Once again ladies and gentlemen, the strawmen are everywhere. You point out that the virus came from CHINA, and is a result of the CHINESE GOVERNMENT dropping the ball, and it gets turned into "you just hate chinese people."

That's like calling someone racist for not liking Obama.


Ok- you're making the ground rules. Spanish flu now renamed Yankee Flu

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Postby Cisairse » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:03 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
General Secretary Xi Jinping is an SJW?

this is the hottest of takes


He's not, but he uses a common SJW talking point to deflect the blame.

He simply says its racist to blame the chinese government for this and SJWs in America begin parroting the line without any thought.


So, opposing racism makes you an SJW?

Forgive me, I'm just trying my best to determine what this thread is defining "SJW" as.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:05 pm

New Bremerton wrote:
The South Falls wrote:This take is so hot I could cook dinner on it. Kudos to you.

COVID-19 is just the name of the resultant disease. Coronavirus is a class of viruses including SARS and MERS. Also SARS was South Asian Respiratory Syndrome, btw.

How does calling it Corona stick it to the Chinese?


The Chinese Health Organization refuses to call it the Wuhan virus because something something Sinophobia. Dr. Tedros and the CHO have yet to say anything critical of China's response to the pandemic while criticizing the United States and other countries and saying stupid things like travel bans are counterproductive. I wonder why? How much were they paid by China to praise Xi to the rooftops? Covid-19 is a PC move by the CHO to please its Chinese masters.

SARS stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. I call it the Special Administrative Region Syndrome because the Chinese-ruled HK SAR government under then-Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa fucked up its response big time. I was there. I had to stay home from school and receive assignments online. MERS refers clearly to the Middle East. I don't hear Arabs and Muslims protesting. Spanish flu likely originated in France. When is Spain going to file a lawsuit?

I never said calling it corona is meant to stick it to the Chinese. Influenzavirus = influenza = flu. Coronavirus = corona. Etymology.

I don't think that calling it wuhan virus really does anything against the Chinese. China propagated the disease by suppressing individuals who were ready to inform others about the disease and arresting them. I too think the WHO has fucked up their handling of the disease. But I do not think that calling it the Wuhan virus makes up for that, or really does anything. The blame can be pinned on China (as I feel some of it rightfully should be) but calling it Wuhan or Chinese virus does anything. The WHO should at least admonish China (the extent of their power) but they won't, and we just have to live with it.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
He's not, but he uses a common SJW talking point to deflect the blame.

He simply says its racist to blame the chinese government for this and SJWs in America begin parroting the line without any thought.

This satirical flag in a Danish newspaper was denounced as 'racist ' by the Chinese Communist Party and demanded an apology from the newspaper, the newspaper in question said no.
Image

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 20-1%3famp


Everyday is a great day to hate on chairman Xi.

It's funny how a government responsible for killing more chinese people than anyone else in history is calling people out got allegedly being racist to chinese people.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
He's not, but he uses a common SJW talking point to deflect the blame.

He simply says its racist to blame the chinese government for this and SJWs in America begin parroting the line without any thought.


So, opposing racism makes you an SJW?

Forgive me, I'm just trying my best to determine what this thread is defining "SJW" as.


No, opposing racism is not being an SJW. As someone who has witnessed actual racism (two black kids attacking an asian student, a young Jewish kid being accosted by racist skinheads, an Italian american guy referring to one of our school's best basketball players as a "nigger," and a girl threatening to deport my friend george back to our island of origin), it is admirable to fight bigotry.

What is not admirable is crying wolf about racism when it isn't there or believing it's there because a foreign government said so. Attacking asian people because of COVID is not okay. Pointing out the chinese origin of COVID and pointing out how the CCP made a huge mistake is more than okay. If you wanna say "dont beat up asians because of COVID," then by all means go right ahead. But dont come after me for calling it "wuhan sickness," which it is.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby New Bremerton » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
He's not, but he uses a common SJW talking point to deflect the blame.

He simply says its racist to blame the chinese government for this and SJWs in America begin parroting the line without any thought.

This satirical flag in a Danish newspaper was denounced as 'racist ' by the Chinese Communist Party and demanded an apology from the newspaper, the newspaper in question said no.
Image

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 20-1%3famp


Love the flag. This is the same newspaper that published those Mohammed cartoons many years back. I have nothing but the utmost respect for them. Free speech all the way and shoutout to Denmark. Let not the CCP or radical Islamists intimidate you into silence.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Genivaria wrote:This satirical flag in a Danish newspaper was denounced as 'racist ' by the Chinese Communist Party and demanded an apology from the newspaper, the newspaper in question said no.
Image

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 20-1%3famp


Everyday is a great day to hate on chairman Xi.

It's funny how a government responsible for killing more chinese people than anyone else in history is calling people out got allegedly being racist to chinese people.

>than anyone else in history
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Disagree, we can keep social distance without shutting down the world.

That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along


Except for the times when you were freaking out about how this is the end of the world as we know it.
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