The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Valentian Elysium]

https://mobile.twitter.com/lazzaroasis/status/1222893130019553286/photo/1

Some patients who can’t get treatment try to deliberately infect random people by spitting.

Now, let's say the infected person really wanted to infect random people by spitting.
The question is....why? Why would they do that?

[Imperial Joseon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/lazzaroasis/status/1222893130019553286/photo/1

Some patients who can’t get treatment try to deliberately infect random people by spitting.

Now, let's say the infected person really wanted to infect random people by spitting.
The question is....why? Why would they do that?

Really odd.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

It's less the actual foods, and more just having plain abyssal food quality laws.

Well, the Korean Ministry of Environmental Safety has banned the consumption of bats throughout their nation, and that reduced many minor outbreaks and disease cases, so I think the same would work for China.

The whole bats thing, iirc, was filmed in Palau and not in Wuhan.

[Imperial Joseon]

Well, the Korean Ministry of Environmental Safety has banned the consumption of bats throughout their nation, and that reduced many minor outbreaks and disease cases, so I think the same would work for China.

The whole bats thing, iirc, was filmed in Palau and not in Wuhan.

No, not the Laws of Jungle. The ban was in 2000.

[Lost Memories]

First two infected tested positive in the UK

They are both members of the same family and are receiving specialist NHS care.
No more details are being released about their idenitity or where they are being treated.

"In a twist, China to evacuate Wuhan residents from foreign countries."
This seems to align with their tactic of deporting any infected they find around china into the Hubei region, they are going to focus all their medical resources on Wuhan, and move there any case they find outside Wuhan.

[Catburg]

https://mobile.twitter.com/lazzaroasis/status/1222893130019553286/photo/1

Some patients who can’t get treatment try to deliberately infect random people by spitting.

Now, let's say the infected person really wanted to infect random people by spitting.
The question is....why? Why would they do that?

For the same reason why some HIV positive people deliberately infect others.

[Valentian Elysium]

Now, let's say the infected person really wanted to infect random people by spitting.
The question is....why? Why would they do that?

The same reason why some HIV positive people deliberately infecting others.

And what reason is that?

[Catburg]

The same reason why some HIV positive people deliberately infecting others.

And what reason is that?

Antisocial sentiments? “If I will die I will make sure that as many people as possible are brought down by me.”

[Catburg]

Now, let's say the infected person really wanted to infect random people by spitting.
The question is....why? Why would they do that?

Really odd.

Is it really very rare in South Korea? This sentiment is pretty common in mainland China likely due to Communist misrule for I don’t know Taiwanese, HKers or Singaporeans with similar sentiments.

[Baltenstein]

It's less the actual foods, and more just having plain abyssal food quality laws.

Well, the Korean Ministry of Environmental Safety has banned the consumption of bats throughout their nation, and that reduced many minor outbreaks and disease cases, so I think the same would work for China.

*Judgingly stares at Ozzy Osbourne*

[Lanorth]

Right, it is confirmed.

Two people in York, in The United Kingdom, have the Coronavirus.

Source

[Rojava Free State]

Right, it is confirmed.

Two people in Newcastle, in The United Kingdom, have the Coronavirus.

Source

I heard rumors about a case in Ohio and all I can say is I'm absolutely shook by how quickly this disease is spreading globally

[Thermodolia]

You hope it will plateau

And you don't?

This thing is going to be worse than both of those.

I'd like to borrow your crystal ball, I have a few bets to place and lottery tickets to purchase.

The rate of infected is already well past where SARS was at this point.

Okay, doesn't mean we're deep in the stages of Black Death Part II, Half the Human Population Dead Again Boogaloo.

If you want to continue to stick your head in the ground and act like everything is fine go right on.

I don't understand why my lack of panic and doomer apocalyptic mentality is so upsetting to you. Like I said earlier, if you don't like the fact that I'm not losing my shit over this right now then you don't have to engage with me over it.

Prevention dude, ever heard of it? If we wait until everyone is nearly dead then it’s too late to do anything. We need to be proactive not reactive.

And no I don’t put people on ignore, id rather not live in an echo chamber, and I’m not upset

[Thermodolia]

Person to Person transmission occurring is the opposite of containment, that's why the WHO is making this statement.

Sadly, governments are doing a lot of 'quarantine,' i.e. locking innocent people up for health reasons.

I'm not saying it's sad because it prevents the spread of disease, but because it's a major human rights violation.

It’s not a major human rights violation.

[Thermodolia]

You'd think people would learn when they realized that diseases such as the West Nile Virus, Ebola, Zika and so on didn't exactly cause the end of civilization but oh well.

People are overreacting on this virus. This virus is less lethal than SARS in 2003.

It’s not. The Chinese have been deliberately obscuring the numbers. There are way more dead than the official numbers.

[Catburg]

People are overreacting on this virus. This virus is less lethal than SARS in 2003.

It’s not. The Chinese have been deliberately obscuring the numbers. There are way more dead than the official numbers.

Exactly. The actual numbers are at least 100,000 in China alone. I think the amount of infected people will reach at least a billion as unlike anything in Sub-Saharan Africa anything in NE Asia is impossible for outsiders to control. China will refuse outside help and let everything rot just like after Tangshan earthquake..

The final death toll will be at least 100 million in China both due to the disease and due to Zhang Xianzhongs. Warlords will use up the entire nuke & bioweapon & chem weapon arsenal and will nuke Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and definitely attempt to nuke US, Russia and Japan.

[Novus America]

First two infected tested positive in the UK

They are both members of the same family and are receiving specialist NHS care.
No more details are being released about their idenitity or where they are being treated.

"In a twist, China to evacuate Wuhan residents from foreign countries."
This seems to align with their tactic of deporting any infected they find around china into the Hubei region, they are going to focus all their medical resources on Wuhan, and move there any case they find outside Wuhan.

“Singapore and Mongolia will bar entries from China.
Singapore on Friday announced a sweeping ban on Chinese visitors and other foreigners who had been to China in the past 14 days, in an escalation of travel restrictions by the Southeast Asian transportation hub.”
Why have we not done this already? That bothers me. We need to do this asap.

Plus we should probably cancel most non emergency leave and call up reservists for military personnel in medical and NBC specialties, get out hospital ships full crewed (they are mostly crewed by reservists).

I do not into the doomer panic, but these steps should still be taken as a precaution.

[Valentian Elysium]

And what reason is that?

Antisocial sentiments? “If I will die I will make sure that as many people as possible are brought down by me.”

Maybe, but people with Antisocial Personality Disorder number only around 3.6% in the US, and 0.01% in China in 1998. It is also much more prevalent in hard drug users, which I don't think most of the people who are infected are.

[Novus America]

Antisocial sentiments? “If I will die I will make sure that as many people as possible are brought down by me.”

Maybe, but people with Antisocial Personality Disorder are only around 3.6% in the US, and 0.01% in China in 1998. It is also more prevalent in hard drug users, which I don't think most of the people who are coming from China are.

You can have some anti social sentiments without having full Antisocial Personality Disorder or being diagnosed with it.

[Valentian Elysium]

Maybe, but people with Antisocial Personality Disorder are only around 3.6% in the US, and 0.01% in China in 1998. It is also more prevalent in hard drug users, which I don't think most of the people who are coming from China are.

You can have some anti social sentiments without having full Antisocial Personality Disorder or being diagnosed with it.

Right, of course, but to the extent of where "I am going to spread this terrible disease which can't be cured because I hate people" (talking about HIV/AIDS) is a bit too far, don't you think?

[Valrifell]

It’s not. The Chinese have been deliberately obscuring the numbers. There are way more dead than the official numbers.

Exactly. The actual numbers are at least 100,000 in China alone. I think the amount of infected people will reach at least a billion as unlike anything in Sub-Saharan Africa anything in NE Asia is impossible for outsiders to control. China will refuse outside help and let everything rot just like after Tangshan earthquake..

The final death toll will be at least 100 million in China both due to the disease and due to Zhang Xianzhongs. Warlords will use up the entire nuke & bioweapon & chem weapon arsenal and will nuke Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and definitely attempt to nuke US, Russia and Japan.

Finally a rational take!

[Novus America]

You can have some anti social sentiments without having full Antisocial Personality Disorder or being diagnosed with it.

Right, of course, but to the extent of where "I am going to spread this terrible disease which can't be cured because I hate people" (talking about HIV/AIDS) is a bit too far, don't you think?

I do, but I suppose some people think differently. Also what is considered anti social may vary from one culture to the next.

[Lost Memories]

The investigation on the first German confirmed case is summarized in this article, they also made a graph to show the timeline of infection.



The concerning part is that they found positive nCoV results in persons who had recovered from their symptoms. They are investigating that possibility, it isn't confirmed.

“Singapore and Mongolia will bar entries from China.
Singapore on Friday announced a sweeping ban on Chinese visitors and other foreigners who had been to China in the past 14 days, in an escalation of travel restrictions by the Southeast Asian transportation hub.”
Why have we not done this already? That bothers me. We need to do this asap.

Of the nations most near China, few have already reached 10 or more infected:
Hong Kong 12
Thailand 19
Japan 15
Singapore 16

If they are going to follow the same growth rate as seen in China, double the infected every 2 days, Thailand may reach 40 confirmed infected in 2 days, which is indicative, as seen from the Timeline, Wuhan started to infect other regions (Thailand was the first infected outside Wuhan) when it had 41 confirmed cases.
Thailand may become a new international spreading hub. The others would follow shortly after.

Agree on taking precautions, it's a long time until a vaccine is developed. Or until summer.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

It’s not. The Chinese have been deliberately obscuring the numbers. There are way more dead than the official numbers.

Exactly. The actual numbers are at least 100,000 in China alone. I think the amount of infected people will reach at least a billion as unlike anything in Sub-Saharan Africa anything in NE Asia is impossible for outsiders to control. China will refuse outside help and let everything rot just like after Tangshan earthquake..

The final death toll will be at least 100 million in China both due to the disease and due to Zhang Xianzhongs. Warlords will use up the entire nuke & bioweapon & chem weapon arsenal and will nuke Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and definitely attempt to nuke US, Russia and Japan.

Hot take, I’d disagree with the last part. For the first part, I’m also inclined to reject that train of thought.

The investigation on the first German confirmed case is summarized in this article, they also made a graph to show the timeline of infection.

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The concerning part is that they found positive nCoV results in persons who had recovered from their symptoms. They are investigating that possibility, it isn't confirmed.

“Singapore and Mongolia will bar entries from China.
Singapore on Friday announced a sweeping ban on Chinese visitors and other foreigners who had been to China in the past 14 days, in an escalation of travel restrictions by the Southeast Asian transportation hub.”
Why have we not done this already? That bothers me. We need to do this asap.

Of the nations most near China, few have already reached 10 or more infected:
Hong Kong 12
Thailand 19
Japan 15
Singapore 16

If they are going to follow the same growth rate as seen in China, double the infected every 2 days, Thailand may reach 40 confirmed infected in 2 days, which is indicative, as seen from the Timeline, Wuhan started to infect other regions (Thailand was the first infected outside Wuhan) when it had 41 confirmed cases.
Thailand may become a new international spreading hub. The others would follow shortly after.

Agree on taking precautions, it's a long time until a vaccine is developed. Or until summer.

Thailand should have restricted Chinese nationals a long time ago.

[New Visayan Islands]

It’s not. The Chinese have been deliberately obscuring the numbers. There are way more dead than the official numbers.

Exactly. The actual numbers are at least 100,000 in China alone. I think the amount of infected people will reach at least a billion as unlike anything in Sub-Saharan Africa anything in NE Asia is impossible for outsiders to control. China will refuse outside help and let everything rot just like after Tangshan earthquake..

The final death toll will be at least 100 million in China both due to the disease and due to Zhang Xianzhongs. Warlords will use up the entire nuke & bioweapon & chem weapon arsenal and will nuke Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and definitely attempt to nuke US, Russia and Japan.

Yellow Tigers...? Sorry, don't quite follow.