The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Lord Dominator]

Bold claim, what's your basis?

Well, it's eating up a large country- China and other nations with cases, it's global generally.

As well it's a influenza and virus, spread by human-to-human and food contract.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-01-31-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Number of infections does not the Black Death v2 make, anymore than the yearly flu is such.

The Black Death killed at least a third of Europe's population at the time, while the current coronavirus has yet to be indicated to manage much more than a few percentage points, which is approximately a tenth of the relative death toll.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Very slim possibility that I doubt highly: the new strain was an attempt at turning natural strains into a biological weapon, accidentally released.
Possibility that I do not doubt much: the new strain is being attempted to be made into a biological weapon.

I highly doubt that it will cause global catastrophe. I bet my life on that, along with betting that other deadly events will not effect me.

I am much more worried about massive solar flares and nukes and dictatorships and religious extremism/fundamentalism (starting where the line between the two is blurred).

[Totally Not OEP]

Except we know it's not a problem contained in China, as evidenced by the WHO finally declaring it a Global Emergency and confirmed person to person transmission in Germany, Thailand and the United States among other countries.

...and, so far, containment in those places, not epidemics like we're seeing in China.

Person to Person transmission occurring is the opposite of containment, that's why the WHO is making this statement.

[Totally Not OEP]

State Department has issued a Level 4 Advisory, which is a strong encouragement to U.S. citizens to not travel to Mainland China. All U.S. Citizens are hereby advised to also leave China.

[The Fifth Federation]

Very slim possibility that I doubt highly: the new strain was an attempt at turning natural strains into a biological weapon, accidentally released.
Possibility that I do not doubt much: the new strain is being attempted to be made into a biological weapon.

I highly doubt that it will cause global catastrophe. I bet my life on that, along with betting that other deadly events will not effect me.

I am much more worried about massive solar flares and nukes and dictatorships and religious extremism/fundamentalism (starting where the line between the two is blurred).

Nukes create peace, and we have no nuclear war currently approaching. Sure, Iran may be a threat, but their just a cold-war era military.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

...and, so far, containment in those places, not epidemics like we're seeing in China.

Person to Person transmission occurring is the opposite of containment, that's why the WHO is making this statement.

Sadly, governments are doing a lot of 'quarantine,' i.e. locking innocent people up for health reasons.

I'm not saying it's sad because it prevents the spread of disease, but because it's a major human rights violation.

[Aureumterra]

Person to Person transmission occurring is the opposite of containment, that's why the WHO is making this statement.

Sadly, governments are doing a lot of 'quarantine,' i.e. locking innocent people up for health reasons.

I'm not saying it's sad because it prevents the spread of disease, but because it's a major human rights violation.

That’s very slippery slope

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Sadly, governments are doing a lot of 'quarantine,' i.e. locking innocent people up for health reasons.

I'm not saying it's sad because it prevents the spread of disease, but because it's a major human rights violation.

That’s very slippery slope

How? What crimes have they committed?

[Aureumterra]

That’s very slippery slope

How? What crimes have they committed?

None, it’s a slippery slope for the government locking them up

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How? What crimes have they committed?

None, it’s a slippery slope for the government locking them up

They've been doing it to people with mental health conditions for years, I doubt they care.

[Imperial Joseon]

I agree with the American "Do not travel to China" advertisements.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I agree with the American "Do not travel to China" advertisements.

It's common sense

[Imperial Joseon]

I agree with the American "Do not travel to China" advertisements.

It's common sense

Some people do for business purposes. That's common sense, too.
They just don't go to Wuhan. That's common sense, too.

[Bloodshade]

There's a good chance we'll forget about the Coronavirus in a few months, unless it somehow becomes the most infectious disease in history and millions end up contracting it...and now I'm describing a game of 'Plague Inc'.

Sure, one needs to be vigilant but why are we so prone to panicking?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's common sense

Some people do for business purposes. That's common sense, too.
They just don't go to Wuhan. That's common sense, too.

But if they do travel to China, they should not be deprived of their liberty upon returning.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There's a good chance we'll forget about the Coronavirus in a few months, unless it somehow becomes the most infectious disease in history and millions end up contracting it...and now I'm describing a game of 'Plague Inc'.

Sure, one needs to be vigilant but why are we so prone to panicking?

Because people panicking generates more clicks, so the media wants us to.

[Imperial Joseon]

Some people do for business purposes. That's common sense, too.
They just don't go to Wuhan. That's common sense, too.

But if they do travel to China, they should not be deprived of their liberty upon returning.

They just need to be quarantined in some place. Korean Wuhan residents are being brought back to Korea and are quarantined in Jincheon.

[Bloodshade]

Because people panicking generates more clicks, so the media wants us to.

You'd think people would learn when they realized that diseases such as the West Nile Virus, Ebola, Zika and so on didn't exactly cause the end of civilization but oh well.

Honestly, at worst, the disease will infect a few more thousands but that'll be the end of the news we can milk from the Coronavirus

[Imperial Joseon]

Because people panicking generates more clicks, so the media wants us to.

You'd think people would learn when they realized that diseases such as the West Nile Virus, Ebola, Zika and so on didn't exactly cause the end of civilization but oh well.

People are overreacting on this virus. This virus is less lethal than SARS in 2003.

[Bloodshade]

People are overreacting on this virus. This virus is less lethal than SARS in 2003.

I do believe SARS can be triggered by the Coronavirus but in any case, I'm rather shocked that if the disease was as frightening as the media say it is, no vaccine for SARS was created even though it's been 17 years ever since SARS emerged in Asia.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But if they do travel to China, they should not be deprived of their liberty upon returning.

They just need to be quarantined in some place. Korean Wuhan residents are being brought back to Korea and are quarantined in Jincheon.

No they don't, I oppose all forms of quarantine on human rights grounds.

[Imperial Joseon]

They just need to be quarantined in some place. Korean Wuhan residents are being brought back to Korea and are quarantined in Jincheon.

No they don't, I oppose all forms of quarantine on human rights grounds.

Then, they should be mixed with people who do not have the virus? That's even more dangerous.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No they don't, I oppose all forms of quarantine on human rights grounds.

Then, they should be mixed with people who do not have the virus? That's even more dangerous.

The danger isn't relevant to a question of deprivation of liberty.

[Bloodshade]

No they don't, I oppose all forms of quarantine on human rights grounds.

In cases like this, how would you go about ensuring that the disease is contained? It's definitely a tragedy to quarantine someone but wouldn't it be more tragic to let one person go and then he/she ends up infecting even just one more person?

Now another person's ability to live freely is hindered by the infected. Another person's liberty is threatened by someone else's carelessness.

[Imperial Joseon]

Then, they should be mixed with people who do not have the virus? That's even more dangerous.

The danger isn't relevant to a question of deprivation of liberty.

So, danger isn't relevant at all to people? Life is about compromise. If you want to abolish quarantine, go complain to Xi Jinping and get his government to start developing a proper vaccine, instead of letting his Wuhan residents eat unsanitary food like bats and mosquitoes.