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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:23 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Did you not read my posts? I specifically said when this is all over with

Does social distancing include not visiting large-scale violent revolutions?


Supposedly those will happen if theres already an huge amount of immunes but the economy being hopelessy wrecked and structures being too in the gutter.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:24 am

Moscareinas wrote:and of course trump goes on to tout the effectiveness of hydrochloroquine and azt like a literal snake-oil shill


His own CDC representative said they were only doing trials and were not gonna know immediately if it works.

And here's trump saying "this drug has been on the market for years and we're gonna use it to treat COVID almost immediately!"
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:24 am

Nakena wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Does social distancing include not visiting large-scale violent revolutions?


Supposedly those will happen if theres already an huge amount of immunes but the economy being hopelessy wrecked and structures being too in the gutter.


According to what I've read, there are indeed a large number of individuals who are immune to the effects of the corona virus and do not develope any symptoms.

I would like to believe I'm one of them but after reading about what counts as a "pre-existing condition that could put you at risk for COVID killing you," and seeing that asthma as a child counts, I realized I actually may not survive the pandemic, which has shaken me to the core. I'm not gonna lie, I almost cried realizing I may actually die, because while my life is a pile of festering trash in a dumpster fire, I don't wanna end up in coffin for real.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:25 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:and of course trump goes on to tout the effectiveness of hydrochloroquine and azt like a literal snake-oil shill


His own CDC representative said they were only doing trials and were not gonna know immediately if it works.

And here's trump saying "this drug has been on the market for years and we're gonna use it to treat COVID almost immediately!"


It's just one of the many things considered. Things that might be usable.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... s-vaccines

Emphasis on might.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:28 am

would it help if the government provided free sweets and happy gas to all during this pandemic?

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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:29 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:would it help if the government provided free sweets and happy gas to all during this pandemic?


Carbonhydrates are required in those dire times more than ever. Gimme me choclet.
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:29 am

The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:30 am

Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


And thus began the Corona Wars
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:30 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I know a lot of disabled people who'd disagree with the last part of your post.


The harsh truth is nonetheless clear, they're of no further use to themselves or anyone else if at or towards the End of Life stage.
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:30 am

Nakena wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


And thus began the Corona Wars


I, for one, am ready to throw my hat into the ring of civil war.

I hope whatever faction I find most politically appealing has weapons for me and people who can train me how to use them.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:31 am

Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.

Since when was SL working for the new York times?

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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:32 am

Nakena wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:would it help if the government provided free sweets and happy gas to all during this pandemic?


Carbonhydrates are required in those dire times more than ever. Gimme me choclet.


did somebody say... chocolate?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:33 am

Cisairse wrote:
Nakena wrote:
And thus began the Corona Wars


I, for one, am ready to throw my hat into the ring of civil war.

I hope whatever faction I find most politically appealing has weapons for me and people who can train me how to use them.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:33 am

Moscareinas wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Carbonhydrates are required in those dire times more than ever. Gimme me choclet.


did somebody say... chocolate?


Yes.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:33 am

Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.

I don’t think many are thinking about this. Shutting everything down indefinitely or allowing this to become the norm will lead up exactly what this paragraph says

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:34 am

San Lumen wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.

I don’t think many are thinking about this. Shutting everything down indefinitely or allowing this to become the norm will lead up exactly what this paragraph says

You should sue them for wripping off your ideas. Is the truth copyrightable?

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:35 am

Nakena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Trump is a salesman down to his bones, spurs and all.


Last but not least Trump Steaks.

And Trump Vodka. Liquor from a man who claims never to drink. Goes well with Jewish ham and Hindu steak.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:35 am

Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.

Like I’ve been saying for awhile our current system is dead. It’s going to get overthrown
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:35 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t think many are thinking about this. Shutting everything down indefinitely or allowing this to become the norm will lead up exactly what this paragraph says

You should sue them for wripping off your ideas. Is the truth copyrightable?

I’m not copyright I’m public domain

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:35 am

Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


This is what I worry about. How crazy will society get because of the plague?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:37 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


This is what I worry about. How crazy will society get because of the plague?

It's already crazy, people are in fucking la-la land.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:37 am

Nakena wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


And thus began the Corona Wars


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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:37 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


This is what I worry about. How crazy will society get because of the plague?

That depends on how long we want to keep everything shut down and keep canceled or postponed anything that gave anyone joy

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:37 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:The New York Times: It’s Dangerous to Be Ruled by Fear

And what if a “suppression” strategy of school closures, restaurant shutdowns, home quarantines, bans on gatherings of more than a few people, and other methods of social distancing lasts 18 months — the estimate of how long it might take to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine?

In that case, we are looking at a century-defining calamity that could bankrupt the government; wreck nearly every business in America, large or small; disrupt supply chains and create critical shortfalls of food, medicines, and other essential items; lead to dramatic increases in deaths of loneliness and despair; tempt political leaders, including the president, to disavow democratic norms in the name of public health (including by seeking to postpone elections); and create widespread, perhaps deadly, civil unrest.


The article is a lot longer, but I liked this part enough to copy it.


This is what I worry about. How crazy will society get because of the plague?

Worst case a Lenin, Mussolini, or Hitler type gains popularity and over throws the government and establishes their new vision
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
This is what I worry about. How crazy will society get because of the plague?

Worst case a Lenin, Mussolini, or Hitler type gains popularity and over throws the government and establishes their new vision

It isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Hitler came to power due to economic recession in Germany

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