The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Samudera Darussalam]

I have to agree. In this extraordinary situation, economic slump, even to the point of a depression, is preferable to leaving things as they are and unnecessarily killing millions worldwide.

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

Ay, this is my favourite quote in this thread.

[Nakena]

Social distancing martial arts.

https://imgur.com/gallery/quaUp9K

I luled.

[The South Falls]

I have to agree. In this extraordinary situation, economic slump, even to the point of a depression, is preferable to leaving things as they are and unnecessarily killing millions worldwide.

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

We can't be thinkin of everyone as potential virus carriers, we're all humans at heart.

[Nakena]

I have to agree. In this extraordinary situation, economic slump, even to the point of a depression, is preferable to leaving things as they are and unnecessarily killing millions worldwide.

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

Agreed and quoted.

[Dept of Unauthorized Forestry]

Businesses are bending beyond rational logic to justify their dangerous policies and behavior at a time of national emergency.

For instance, I have word from employees that the CEO of Michael's just released a statement to all of their stores that they define themselves as an "essential business" because 1) they offer UPS Access point (more under spoiler if you're not familiar) and 2) They sell 'essential business supplies'. What constitutes "essential business supply" at Michael's Arts and Crafts?... paint for artists? Do they know galleries are all closed? Glitter and glue for craft shows? Those are all surely canceled. San Francisco gave a last minute exemption to Michael's because they sell "educational purpose" items. My sources could not name a single item in store that is necessary for education outside of art study. You may love art, but that isn't essential to anyone's survival. Besides, Amazon is still fulfilling pencils, eventually, and they still have an online store they could be selling these "educational" items out through.

UPS Access Point is...

only a drop off and pickup spot for UPS packages. Which... should be delivered to their doorstep since everyone is in quarantine? Or, it could just be delivered to a UPS Store. Those exist! Why should a rather large building full customers and staff be allowed to remain open for the convenience of another company's customer base???

Michael's Arts and Crafts are allowing employees to stay home if they so choose, but only at the discretion of their store management. We all know how lower management works, and that's not good enough. It should be no questions asked. My source has it their boss was laughing at jokes of the "Chinese virus", claiming that it was a hoax, and their entire store staff are miserable and anxious. Their staff are mostly older ladies who are high risk, or have household members who are high risk, and they're all too afraid to cross their immediate store manager in fear of their jobs. Many are afraid of not getting that next paycheck. Michael's has the resources to pull a move like Bed,Bath & Beyond until the government steps in, but they don't have the leadership or human decency to enact it.


Let's see if they still hold those kids classes and events tomorrow like they did last Saturday!

[Vetalia]

I have to agree. In this extraordinary situation, economic slump, even to the point of a depression, is preferable to leaving things as they are and unnecessarily killing millions worldwide.

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

I think you're right...if we could survive the Black Plague and Spanish flu with the technology and medical knowledge available then, we'll make it through this. Just be smart about your personal well being and altruistic towards others.

[Luminesa]

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

We can't be thinkin of everyone as potential virus carriers, we're all humans at heart.

Well, the problem is we COULD all carry this virus, but we STILL have to take care of each other. We might not be able to go out, but by staying home, we're making sure our elderly and sick people can't get sicker.

But just in case, always be aware of your food banks and any place where you can give goods to care for people.

And plz don't hoard toilet paper. There's people who need it.

[Luminesa]

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

Agreed and quoted.

Awwwwww, thank you!

[Nakena]

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

I think you're right...if we could survive the Black Plague and Spanish flu with the technology and medical knowledge available then, we'll make it through this. Just be smart about your personal well being and altruistic towards others.

Well our species survied them. But european High Middle Ages civilization got severely devastated by the black death.

[Ethel mermania]

Not sure what your second sentence means.

Wasn’t that what he wanted is tax cut initiative to be called?

Sounded good yet when it arrived we weren’t sure it give us much. Had to look on line at for previous stubs to compare.

Ok, iget it now. Thanks

[Aravea]

The last time there was an economic collapse, there were no paychecks for doing nothing? What is different about this time?

We have better tech and better systems in place to offset economic hardship whereas we didn't during the last economic collapse.

[Samudera Darussalam]

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

I think you're right...if we could survive the Black Plague and Spanish flu with the technology and medical knowledge available then, we'll make it through this.

I think a more optimistic approach, to help lessen the panic that is caused by all the irresponsibilities that led to this pandemic in the first place should be more encouraged. We can't know what will come out of this, but at the time being we should support each other. We are together in this crisis.

[Nakena]

The last time there was an economic collapse, there were no paychecks for doing nothing? What is different about this time?

We have better tech and better systems in place to offset economic hardship whereas we didn't during the last economic collapse.

I dont think its going to be a collapse. But a severe GDP setback, that might be undo next year. Supposing Covid doesnt kills people in the millions.

[Cisairse]

If the political fringes in the US clashed it out, my thinking is that there is no way the far Left will ever take over that country given the US' anti-worker history and long legacy of plutocracy and corporatism. The far right will be a shoe in to take over if democracy got abandoned. It wouldn't be like Greece with Syriza.

There are already a relatively large number of elected state officials in the south, midwest, and Rocky Mountains that are explicitly theocratic and have been preparing for a collapse event to replace the United States government with a theocratic oligarchy which murders nonbelievers.

[The South Falls]

And ultimately, if we do what we're supposed to, we'll come out fine. Help your neighbor. Be mindful of people going hungry. Take care of the people in your home. When we show charity for our fellow man, we can do wonders.

I think you're right...if we could survive the Black Plague and Spanish flu with the technology and medical knowledge available then, we'll make it through this. Just be smart about your personal well being and altruistic towards others.

This virus will linger for months, but we can live through it. I think it'll be bad, but not to a degree where a large percentage of our population would die.

[Samudera Darussalam]

If the political fringes in the US clashed it out, my thinking is that there is no way the far Left will ever take over that country given the US' anti-worker history and long legacy of plutocracy and corporatism. The far right will be a shoe in to take over if democracy got abandoned. It wouldn't be like Greece with Syriza.

There are already a relatively large number of elected state officials in the south, midwest, and Rocky Mountains that are explicitly theocratic and have been preparing for a collapse event to replace the United States government with a theocratic oligarchy which murders nonbelievers.

Umm, page not found?

[Luminesa]

Businesses are bending beyond rational logic to justify their dangerous policies and behavior at a time of national emergency.

For instance, I have word from employees that the CEO of Michael's just released a statement to all of their stores that they define themselves as an "essential business" because 1) they offer UPS Access point (more under spoiler if you're not familiar) and 2) They sell 'essential business supplies'. What constitutes "essential business supply" at Michael's Arts and Crafts?... paint for artists? Do they know galleries are all closed? Glitter and glue for craft shows? Those are all surely canceled. San Francisco gave a last minute exemption to Michael's because they sell "educational purpose" items. My sources could not name a single item in store that is necessary for education outside of art study. You may love art, but that isn't essential to anyone's survival. Besides, Amazon is still fulfilling pencils, eventually, and they still have an online store they could be selling these "educational" items out through.

UPS Access Point is...

only a drop off and pickup spot for UPS packages. Which... should be delivered to their doorstep since everyone is in quarantine? Or, could just be delivered to a UPS Store. Those exist! Why should a rather large building full customers and staff be allowed to remain open for the convenience of another company's customer base???

Michael's Arts and Crafts are allowing employees to stay home if they so choose, but only at the discretion of their store management. We all know how lower management works, and that's not good enough. It should be no questions asked. My source has it that their boss was laughing at jokes of the "Chinese virus", claiming that it was a hoax, and their entire store staff miserable and anxious. Their staff are mostly older ladies who are high risk, or have household members who are high risk, and they're all too afraid to cross their immediate store manager in fear for their jobs. Many are afraid of not getting that next paycheck. Michael's has the resources to pull a move like Bed,Bath,&Beyond until the government steps in, but they don't have the leadership or human decency to enact it.


Let's see if they still hold kids classes and events tomorrow like they did last Saturday.

I mean...a lot of people are staying in and doing things like art, knitting, and pottery. Gotta have something to do.

What they should be doing, however, is allowing older workers to stay home. They should give them sick leave and pay for their time off. The managers need to be considerate and intelligent, and to care for their workers. And if they wait for the state to step in, they're not gonna have any business at all. So they should take care of their workers.

[Nakena]

If the political fringes in the US clashed it out, my thinking is that there is no way the far Left will ever take over that country given the US' anti-worker history and long legacy of plutocracy and corporatism. The far right will be a shoe in to take over if democracy got abandoned. It wouldn't be like Greece with Syriza.

There are already a relatively large number of elected state officials in the south, midwest, and Rocky Mountains that are explicitly theocratic and have been preparing for a collapse event to replace the United States government with a theocratic oligarchy which murders nonbelievers.

Yeah Sons of Jacobs tier groups need to be dealt with harshly.

[Vetalia]

We can't be thinkin of everyone as potential virus carriers, we're all humans at heart.

Well, the problem is we COULD all carry this virus, but we STILL have to take care of each other. We might not be able to go out, but by staying home, we're making sure our elderly and sick people can't get sicker.

But just in case, always be aware of your food banks and any place where you can give goods to care for people.

And plz don't hoard toilet paper. There's people who need it.

Or anything else. It is infuriating to me that people are clearing out the shelves for fresh food when I know damn well the vast majority of it will be wasted.

[Ifreann]

From the notes of positivity because honestly as shitty as things have gotten some of the beautiful parts of human nature are on display as well.

Don't have the article, but there are people who put back/plugged back in their Christmas lights to bring a little joy back to the bleakness.

I was forced outside ironically by the crisis. I already work from home and have my groceries delivered but couldn't so I had to venture into the world. In it I have had conversations with people, joking around, who would not normally talk to me at all.

The ex sent me a link to the Social Distancing Festival, a place that's hosting video of performance and art events that have been canceled due to the pandemic.

I watched someone's social network come together to help a friend's mom who is isolated and at risk in Hollywood when her daughter is in San Jose.

A friend started using Zoom to host Jackbox game nights. I was there for a pregnancy announcement of a stranger.

Tonight a movie premiere will be turned into a live stream.

Friends are setting up RPG sessions via various conferencing tools.

People have been checking in with each other and keeping each other's spirits up. I don't know what's happening in your circles but in mine while people are taking the situation seriously and have all appropriate levels of worry, they have taken that energy and directed it at reaching out to each other. If it weren't surrounded by tragedy, it'd be kind of beautiful.

Checked in with my brother who had to close his store today by order of the governor. He'll be giving online lessons for the foreseeable future, and he has an online sales presence, the sister-in-law works at a bank so she'll be working right up until it's time to put spikes on old football pads.

Dispensaries will remain open as an essential service. So we'll have that going on. My work is already remote and said if we need to generate more, go ahead. Basically limited by my output now. If I could stop checking in with you lot...

Anyway. People are awesome. If you don't agree, meet better people. Not now, though. Now is a shitty time to go out and meet people. For next time. If your group is shitty, when we're allowed in the sun again, go find better people.

It's true what they say. California is full of hippies.

[Nakena]

There are already a relatively large number of elected state officials in the south, midwest, and Rocky Mountains that are explicitly theocratic and have been preparing for a collapse event to replace the United States government with a theocratic oligarchy which murders nonbelievers.

Umm, page not found?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/m ... emism.html

[Cisairse]

There are already a relatively large number of elected state officials in the south, midwest, and Rocky Mountains that are explicitly theocratic and have been preparing for a collapse event to replace the United States government with a theocratic oligarchy which murders nonbelievers.

Umm, page not found?

Sorry about that, it was a typo. Should be fixed now.

[Fartsniffage]

From the notes of positivity because honestly as shitty as things have gotten some of the beautiful parts of human nature are on display as well.

Don't have the article, but there are people who put back/plugged back in their Christmas lights to bring a little joy back to the bleakness.

I was forced outside ironically by the crisis. I already work from home and have my groceries delivered but couldn't so I had to venture into the world. In it I have had conversations with people, joking around, who would not normally talk to me at all.

The ex sent me a link to the Social Distancing Festival, a place that's hosting video of performance and art events that have been canceled due to the pandemic.

I watched someone's social network come together to help a friend's mom who is isolated and at risk in Hollywood when her daughter is in San Jose.

A friend started using Zoom to host Jackbox game nights. I was there for a pregnancy announcement of a stranger.

Tonight a movie premiere will be turned into a live stream.

Friends are setting up RPG sessions via various conferencing tools.

People have been checking in with each other and keeping each other's spirits up. I don't know what's happening in your circles but in mine while people are taking the situation seriously and have all appropriate levels of worry, they have taken that energy and directed it at reaching out to each other. If it weren't surrounded by tragedy, it'd be kind of beautiful.

Checked in with my brother who had to close his store today by order of the governor. He'll be giving online lessons for the foreseeable future, and he has an online sales presence, the sister-in-law works at a bank so she'll be working right up until it's time to put spikes on old football pads.

Dispensaries will remain open as an essential service. So we'll have that going on. My work is already remote and said if we need to generate more, go ahead. Basically limited by my output now. If I could stop checking in with you lot...

Anyway. People are awesome. If you don't agree, meet better people. Not now, though. Now is a shitty time to go out and meet people. For next time. If your group is shitty, when we're allowed in the sun again, go find better people.

It's true what they say. California is full of hippies.

None a bigger hippy than Walrus.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Umm, page not found?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/m ... emism.html

Oh, that one. Thanks Nak.

Umm, page not found?

Sorry about that, it was a typo. Should be fixed now.

Eh, it's alright. Thank tho.

[The South Falls]

We can't be thinkin of everyone as potential virus carriers, we're all humans at heart.

Well, the problem is we COULD all carry this virus, but we STILL have to take care of each other. We might not be able to go out, but by staying home, we're making sure our elderly and sick people can't get sicker.

But just in case, always be aware of your food banks and any place where you can give goods to care for people.

And plz don't hoard toilet paper. There's people who need it.

You've got good things to say during this trying time, and I respect that.

Thank you.

Also I want to wipe my ass in peace. I shouldn't have to take a fat shit on the floor of a supermarket, then wipe my ass with the mop and water they would have used to clean it up. Don't hoard toilet paper, people.