The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Lost Memories]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51474116

Yeah, the Chinese GP has been postponed as well.

The difference in the case of the MWC though is that it is a major event that isn't even in China that has been cancelled. It's in Barcelona.

"Barcelona on 24-27 February"
"BT, Facebook, LG, Nokia, Sony and Vodafone were among the high-profile exhibitors to have pulled out of the annual event, citing coronavirus fears."
"But earlier this week, Amazon, Sony, LG Electronics, Ericsson, Facebook, and chipmakers Intel and Nvidia said they would not attend the conference.
French telecoms group Orange also pulled out, despite the fact its chief executive, Stephane Richard, chairs the GSMA.
Deutsche Telekom had said it would be "irresponsible" to send its staff to a large gathering with so many international guests."

Wow, almost every firm pulled out.

Seems those firms are taking seriously the concerns from various scientists about the containment of this virus not working, and of it going pandemic.
The event would have started in around 10 days.
It could also be a case of some of them foreseeing a low participation due to virus fears, so they would rather postpone the event to a better time when they can get a full participation. Having an half empty event would be a waste.

[Bombadil]

The media is been pretty trashy in covering this, yesterday they were like 'infection and death rates drop, maybe we've peaked', today they're like 'record infection and death rates, we're all gonna die..'

Still, one thing that is certainly rising is calls for free speech in China by the Chinese, including sharing the HK protest anthem song, open letters by leading academics and online hashtags that arise quicker than the censors can censor.

This virus has done more for the cause of HK than 8 months of protest.

[Imperial Joseon]

The third jet plane bringing Korean Wuhan residents has arrived. They will be quarantined in Icheon isolation center.

[Seangoli]

The media is been pretty trashy in covering this, yesterday they were like 'infection and death rates drop, maybe we've peaked', today they're like 'record infection and death rates, we're all gonna die..'

Still, one thing that is certainly rising is calls for free speech in China by the Chinese, including sharing the HK protest anthem song, open letters by leading academics and online hashtags that arise quicker than the censors can censor.

This virus has done more for the cause of HK than 8 months of protest.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/coronav ... hubei.html

This more or less confirmed my suspicions. The confirmed cases are only those who have been tested specifically for it, and they have not been reporting everyone who has shown symptoms, but not tested. More concerning, they have only reported deaths thus far of those confirmed to have the disease. Meaning that some untold number have died from the disease and were not confirmed to have it.

The infection rate was never dwindling, it's that Chinese medical staff are overwhelmed to the point that they cannot keep up with the number of newly infected people. They literally could not, and still likely cannot, respond to the disease nor can they confirm every inspected case.

Just last week, everyone was resting on their laurels about how well China contained the disease, and it is now pretty damn apparent it is out of control. And given that China has underreported the infected, we have no idea and likely won't as to how deadly it is.

[Imperial Joseon]

Lotte Duty Free store had to close early, because of an infected person browsing it.

[Thermodolia]

The media is been pretty trashy in covering this, yesterday they were like 'infection and death rates drop, maybe we've peaked', today they're like 'record infection and death rates, we're all gonna die..'

Still, one thing that is certainly rising is calls for free speech in China by the Chinese, including sharing the HK protest anthem song, open letters by leading academics and online hashtags that arise quicker than the censors can censor.

This virus has done more for the cause of HK than 8 months of protest.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/coronav ... hubei.html

This more or less confirmed my suspicions. The confirmed cases are only those who have been tested specifically for it, and they have not been reporting everyone who has shown symptoms, but not tested. More concerning, they have only reported deaths thus far of those confirmed to have the disease. Meaning that some untold number have died from the disease and were not confirmed to have it.

The infection rate was never dwindling, it's that Chinese medical staff are overwhelmed to the point that they cannot keep up with the number of newly infected people. They literally could not, and still likely cannot, respond to the disease nor can they confirm every inspected case.

Just last week, everyone was resting on their laurels about how well China contained the disease, and it is now pretty damn apparent it is out of control. And given that China has underreported the infected, we have no idea and likely won't as to how deadly it is.

Ya this thing is out of control. There are 200 people alone in my state that are under observation for the virus. There’s been talk that these coronavirus are going be just as endemic as the flu

[The New California Republic]

China has been under-reporting the number of deaths and infections:

Some 242 deaths from the new coronavirus were recorded in the Chinese province of Hubei on Wednesday - the deadliest day of the outbreak.

There was also a huge increase in the number of cases, with 14,840 people diagnosed with Covid-19.

Hubei has started using a broader definition to diagnose people - which accounts for most of the rise in cases.

China sacked two top officials in Hubei province hours after the new figures were revealed.

Until Wednesday's increases, the number of people with the virus in Hubei, where the outbreak emerged, was stabilising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51482994

Given their previous efforts to suppress information about Corona, I can only conclude that the under-reporting was entirely intentional.

[Imperial Joseon]

China has been under-reporting the number of deaths and infections:

Some 242 deaths from the new coronavirus were recorded in the Chinese province of Hubei on Wednesday - the deadliest day of the outbreak.

There was also a huge increase in the number of cases, with 14,840 people diagnosed with Covid-19.

Hubei has started using a broader definition to diagnose people - which accounts for most of the rise in cases.

China sacked two top officials in Hubei province hours after the new figures were revealed.

Until Wednesday's increases, the number of people with the virus in Hubei, where the outbreak emerged, was stabilising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51482994

Given their previous efforts to suppress information about Corona, I can only conclude that the under-reporting was entirely intentional.

I trust mostly WHO about the outbreak, not China. The censorship is too strict there, and they want to minimize the severity of the outbreak as much as possible.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

China has been under-reporting the number of deaths and infections:

Some 242 deaths from the new coronavirus were recorded in the Chinese province of Hubei on Wednesday - the deadliest day of the outbreak.

There was also a huge increase in the number of cases, with 14,840 people diagnosed with Covid-19.

Hubei has started using a broader definition to diagnose people - which accounts for most of the rise in cases.

China sacked two top officials in Hubei province hours after the new figures were revealed.

Until Wednesday's increases, the number of people with the virus in Hubei, where the outbreak emerged, was stabilising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51482994

Given their previous efforts to suppress information about Corona, I can only conclude that the under-reporting was entirely intentional.

The censorship really didn’t work out for China, did it?

[Imperial Joseon]

The censorship really didn’t work out for China, did it?

WHO knows better about epidemics than China, probably.

[Phoenicaea]

^there is no certainty about statistics because there is no such importance in them, while comprehension of the phenomenon has still not be done.

[Imperial Joseon]

^there is no certainty about statistics because there is no such importance in them, while comprehension of the phenomenon has still not be done.

Did Xi Jinping say that?

[Phoenicaea]

^no, no, i said. it was not a citation. people has to begin again being reverent to inherent things and science in spite of society and statistics.

i don t say you have to despise..‘secondary’ domains, i find them good when in their role. may be a prove of this, mind has to be kept sharp.

[Lost Memories]

I trust mostly WHO about the outbreak, not China. The censorship is too strict there, and they want to minimize the severity of the outbreak as much as possible.

The censorship really didn’t work out for China, did it?

WHO knows better about epidemics than China, probably.

WHO has eaten up any number they received from china until they had their own men on the ground there. (1-2 days ago?)

I still remember when WHO hesitated to declair global emergency, or when they spent more time praising the efforts of china while condemning any other nation for overreacting, even advising against blocking air travel with china.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakAMtwLxTc

[Phoenicaea]

^all said, if you truly need statistics, Who is better font than others, i believe it a benchmark source, it goes without saying.

[Zixu]

Report from the National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China

mainland China

	until Feb. 12th	during Feb. 12th
confirmed	59804	+15132 (13332** from Hubei)
cured	5911	+1171 (802 from Hubei)
deaths	1367	+254 (242 from Hubei)
existing	52526	+13726*
severe	8030	-174*
suspected	13435	-2632*
close contacts	181386	-3651*

*include increase and decrease
**include clinically diagnosed cases without positive result of nucleic acid test

Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan

	confirmed	cured	deaths
Hong Kong	50	1	1
Macau	10	2	0
Taiwan	18	1	0

[Lost Memories]

WHO Daily Update - February 13, 2020, live now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34s6hIIS8cI

other streams, in case the sounds isn't good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WDMD-lqPnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXJnu-bh9k4

It seems they announced the conference is delayed of 15-20 minutes... as tradition goes.

[New Visayan Islands]

WHO Daily Update - February 13, 2020, live now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34s6hIIS8cI

Two other places outside mainland China — Hong Kong and the Philippines — have previously confirmed one death each.

I don't know; from official tallies, the guy who croaked in the Philippines was an AIDS patient (old infographic for context) who presumably didn't have SARS-CoV-2.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The media is been pretty trashy in covering this, yesterday they were like 'infection and death rates drop, maybe we've peaked', today they're like 'record infection and death rates, we're all gonna die..'

Still, one thing that is certainly rising is calls for free speech in China by the Chinese, including sharing the HK protest anthem song, open letters by leading academics and online hashtags that arise quicker than the censors can censor.

This virus has done more for the cause of HK than 8 months of protest.

"Protesting" is pure virtue signaling. There's no proof that it works. Westerners do it because it's a more dramatic image than dropping a ballot into a box, and Hong Kongers do it because, well, they're all out of other options.

[Satuga]

The media is been pretty trashy in covering this, yesterday they were like 'infection and death rates drop, maybe we've peaked', today they're like 'record infection and death rates, we're all gonna die..'

Still, one thing that is certainly rising is calls for free speech in China by the Chinese, including sharing the HK protest anthem song, open letters by leading academics and online hashtags that arise quicker than the censors can censor.

This virus has done more for the cause of HK than 8 months of protest.

"Protesting" is pure virtue signaling. There's no proof that it works. Westerners do it because it's a more dramatic image than dropping a ballot into a box, and Hong Kongers do it because, well, they're all out of other options.

If there's protesting in China then you know some shit is up. Do you have any idea how influenced the mainland is to be "obedient"? If there starts to be mass protests in Mainland china, what are they gonna do murder millions of people? Though Tienanmen Square might have already proved their reaction to these types of situations.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

"Protesting" is pure virtue signaling. There's no proof that it works. Westerners do it because it's a more dramatic image than dropping a ballot into a box, and Hong Kongers do it because, well, they're all out of other options.

If there's protesting in China then you know some shit is up. Do you have any idea how influenced the mainland is to be "obedient"? If there starts to be mass protests in Mainland china, what are they gonna do murder millions of people? Though Tienanmen Square might have already proved their reaction to these types of situations.

Key word "mainland." They go easier on Hong Kong because deep down, they know it's not theirs to invade.

[Satuga]

If there's protesting in China then you know some shit is up. Do you have any idea how influenced the mainland is to be "obedient"? If there starts to be mass protests in Mainland china, what are they gonna do murder millions of people? Though Tienanmen Square might have already proved their reaction to these types of situations.

Key word "mainland." They go easier on Hong Kong because deep down, they know it's not theirs to invade.

Also because there's a fuck ton more media coverage. Harder to cover up mowing down hundreds of people in HK. Though that didn't stop them from sending thugs to beat up, kidnap, and (possibly) murder some protesters or even emergency service members.

[The New California Republic]

"Protesting" is pure virtue signaling. There's no proof that it works.

Nonsense. One of the reasons that the SED was ousted from power in the GDR was because of the mass demonstrations that destabilised the regime to such an extent that the Central Committee started making mistakes, which brought about their downfall.

But Corona is the topic of this thread, not whether protesting works or not.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I've noticed that whenever someone is coming down with the flu there, their peers would make coronavirus jokes at them.
Not really sure whether I should feel anything about it or not.

[Satuga]

I've noticed that whenever someone is coming down with the flu there, their peers would make coronavirus jokes at them.
Not really sure whether I should feel anything about it or not.

Don't it's mostly making light of the situation, and unless you're in china you don't really have to worry about it.