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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:14 am

Insaanistan wrote:China has quarantined the city. There are cases in the US now. My mom is upset, because the news initially denied there were any cases, but she knew there were because they were treating a person who got it at their work place. I feel sad for all the people traveling to and from China for the Lunar New Year, because this will make travel to and from China more difficult.

This shit has jumped the species barrier. It needs to be contained.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:18 am

It's a good thing I'm on the other side, aka, NJ. To be honest, the Chinese are in trouble but I don't think we'll have to worry too much about this in the United States.

Satuga wrote:I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the Ebola scare for the US, I think we will get maybe a couple hundred cases, and then successfully quarantine it like we did Ebola.

Edit: while I still thinks it's going to be more of a scare than an epidemic, I do have to acknowledge that should we not be careful, it can get worse because of its ability to travel through the air.


Pretty much this ^.
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Postby State of Turelisa » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:26 am

The New California Republic wrote:According to reports this virus was present in snakes and has jumped the species barrier. That shit is fucking dangerous.


And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination
LEVITICUS 11:41-42


As HIV mutated from a virus which originated in primates, having crossed into humans who had eaten bushmeat infected with it, so coronavirus has apparently become a human pathogen because humans won't observe divine law and eat only that which it dictates we may eat.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:29 am

Bombadil wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
If they lied and it's serious, they need to be a hell of a lot more concerned over whether or not this is the big one we've all been waiting for years now. If it is the Big One, everyone-not just the Chinese-needs to be getting the fuck ready.


They're screwed both ways, if they lied and it's serious then they've put the whole world at risk, if it's not really that bad they're going to have a very angry city of Wuhan for cancelling Chinese New Year. It'll be interesting to see how the media spins it but the upshot is that over this past year people in China have been strongly questioning the CCP's approach to the truth.

I hope this finally motivates the Chinese people to take back control by hook or by crook. China isn't the problem, their censorship-prone government is.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:30 am

Insaanistan wrote:China has quarantined the city. There are cases in the US now. My mom is upset, because the news initially denied there were any cases, but she knew there were because they were treating a person who got it at their work place. I feel sad for all the people traveling to and from China for the Lunar New Year, because this will make travel to and from China more difficult.

They shouldn't be traveling to China at all. It's a monumental safety hazard in light of this.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:32 am

State of Turelisa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:According to reports this virus was present in snakes and has jumped the species barrier. That shit is fucking dangerous.


And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination
LEVITICUS 11:41-42


As HIV mutated from a virus which originated in primates, having crossed into humans who had eaten bushmeat infected with it, so coronavirus has apparently become a human pathogen because humans won't observe divine law and eat only that which it dictates we may eat.

Well, maybe if the Bible wasn't such a mess of contradictions people might have taken it more seriously.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:China has quarantined the city. There are cases in the US now. My mom is upset, because the news initially denied there were any cases, but she knew there were because they were treating a person who got it at their work place. I feel sad for all the people traveling to and from China for the Lunar New Year, because this will make travel to and from China more difficult.

This shit has jumped the species barrier. It needs to be contained.

Some researchers have suggested the illness may have originated in snakes. A study published on Wednesday in the Journal of Medical Virology said genetic analysis suggests snakes are "the most probable wildlife animal reservoir" for the virus, but this would need to be confirmed by other studies. Other researchers have questioned the claim.

So it isn't entirely conclusive yet but initial analysis suggests it.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:00 am

Two suspected cases in Scotland; it’s reached Europe.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:21 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Two suspected cases in Scotland; it’s reached Europe.

Four actually:

Edinburgh University infection expert, Prof Juergen Haas, said there were four suspected cases in Scotland.

All the patients had respiratory symptoms and had been in Wuhan, thought to be the source, in the last 14 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51223111

I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:28 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Two suspected cases in Scotland; it’s reached Europe.

Four actually:

Edinburgh University infection expert, Prof Juergen Haas, said there were four suspected cases in Scotland.

All the patients had respiratory symptoms and had been in Wuhan, thought to be the source, in the last 14 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51223111

I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.

Better late than never, honestly.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:31 am

Luziyca wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.

Better late than never, honestly.

In the case of quarantine it isn't. Once containment has been breached, as it already has been, it becomes increasingly difficult to stuff the genie back in the bottle.
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Postby Pangurstan » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:34 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Better late than never, honestly.

In the case of quarantine it isn't. Once containment has been breached, as it already has been, it becomes increasingly difficult to stuff the genie back in the bottle.

Either they’ve learned from SARS and are quarantining Wuhan to prevent it from spreading more from there, or it’s worse than SARS.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:48 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Two suspected cases in Scotland; it’s reached Europe.

Four actually:

Edinburgh University infection expert, Prof Juergen Haas, said there were four suspected cases in Scotland.

All the patients had respiratory symptoms and had been in Wuhan, thought to be the source, in the last 14 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51223111

I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.

Of course, it's holiday time in China so in great multitudes they pour into the big tourist sites.
At what point do we quarantine Edinburgh? I mean, it's no great loss to the rest of Scotland, but I'd like to know at what point I evacuate my uncle and friends.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:51 am

State of Turelisa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:According to reports this virus was present in snakes and has jumped the species barrier. That shit is fucking dangerous.


And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination
LEVITICUS 11:41-42


As HIV mutated from a virus which originated in primates, having crossed into humans who had eaten bushmeat infected with it, so coronavirus has apparently become a human pathogen because humans won't observe divine law and eat only that which it dictates we may eat.


I'm willing to compromise and give up snake meat if we can keep homosexual sex and mixed fabric clothing.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:55 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.

Of course, it's holiday time in China so in great multitudes they pour into the big tourist sites.
At what point do we quarantine Edinburgh? I mean, it's no great loss to the rest of Scotland, but I'd like to know at what point I evacuate my uncle and friends.

If containment at the hospitals and screening at Edinburgh Airport fails.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:02 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Four actually:


I'm getting the feeling that the quarantine was implemented too late.

Of course, it's holiday time in China so in great multitudes they pour into the big tourist sites.
At what point do we quarantine Edinburgh? I mean, it's no great loss to the rest of Scotland, but I'd like to know at what point I evacuate my uncle and friends.


Honestly, getting the virus now might not be the worst thing. It doesn't kill most infected people at this point. But it can quickly evolve into something far deadlier, and when that happens the people who got it first might have the advantage of immunity.

Of course this is all speculative and it's obviously preferable to never get sick, especially since they might one day engineer a vaccine that confers immunity without the symptoms, but everything we know so far indicates that this virus isn't going to wipe out cities.
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Postby Valentian Elysium » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:04 am

State of Turelisa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:According to reports this virus was present in snakes and has jumped the species barrier. That shit is fucking dangerous.


And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination
LEVITICUS 11:41-42


As HIV mutated from a virus which originated in primates, having crossed into humans who had eaten bushmeat infected with it, so coronavirus has apparently become a human pathogen because humans won't observe divine law and eat only that which it dictates we may eat.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:As HIV mutated from a virus which originated in primates, having crossed into humans who had eaten bushmeat infected with it, so coronavirus has apparently become a human pathogen because humans won't observe divine law and eat only that which it dictates we may eat.

Well, maybe if the Bible wasn't such a mess of contradictions people might have taken it more seriously.

I'd like to expand on LimaUniformNovemberAlpha's comment
So, State of Turelisa, Leviticus has "most of its chapters consist of God's speeches to Moses, which God commands Moses to repeat to the Israelites." So, let's assume God said Leviticus 11:41-42. Abomination is defined as "a thing that causes disgust or loathing." So, God is saying how basically 90% of all animals are things that cause disgust or loathing, aka unpleasant things, aka failures. But how come they're all disgusting and failures, when God himself supposedly created them in Genesis? Sure, God may have created humans in his own image, but that doesn't explain why he couldn't have made all other animals perfect too.
In addition, God is saying that everyone should go vegetarian, or something very close to it, since almost all of the meat we eat are animals that "[go] on all fours." That includes: cows, pigs, sheep, deer, etc. I don't have a problem with that in particular, but I do have a problem when the same guy (God) says in Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."
So...which is it?
Also sorry if I'm going off-track here.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:27 am

Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh
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Postby Dome Artan » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:50 am

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... far-worse/
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Postby Dogmeat » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:53 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

The CCP is plenty evil without having to make up stupid conspiracy theories about them.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:59 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

China is pretty shit but it isn't trying to do an Umbrella Corporation here.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:02 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

If they still wanted population control that badly, why backtrack on the one-child policy?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:08 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:Probably the PRC trying to do population control tbh

If they still wanted population control that badly, why backtrack on the one-child policy?


Because of the fact the gender balance of young Chinese people was completely distorted towards men due to beliefs amongst many that having a boy was much better than a girl. I'd argue that was the only failing in the scheme otherwise it was quite a success and would probably work quite well in some parts of the world, unfortunately the parts were population density isn't as big a problem.
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Man, it is unsettling how strongly this resembles what China looked like last time I was there. The anti-viral masks look just like the pollution masks, and the signs remind me of Shanghai Railway Station.

That said, do they really have to pay several soldiers to stand guard around the clock? Why not just have two fences, an inner and outer one, have the inner one electrified, and a warning sign around the outer one?
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Pacomia » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:12 am

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