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What five changes to the government would you make?

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In the view of most people on this thread, the most important areas for reform are ...

To change the way our leaders come to power.
15
26%
Universal Healthcare.
14
25%
Totally private healthcare.
2
4%
To give people more welfare.
2
4%
To reduce welfare.
1
2%
To increase the amount of power the Government has in general.
4
7%
To decrease the amount of power the Government has in general.
12
21%
To legalize something. (Comment what)
2
4%
To ban something. (Comment what)
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Something else. (Comment what)
5
9%
 
Total votes : 57

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Ethan Allen
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Postby Ethan Allen » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:33 pm

The private sector always provides.
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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:34 pm

I would ban gerrymandering and have redistricting done by a independent commission, have automatic voter registration, require all executive nominees have a hearing and a vote, make environmental laws unable to be repealed and national monuments, parks and forests unable to ever be logged or mines

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Neu California
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Postby Neu California » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:40 pm

Neu California wrote:So, in a government free society, what's to stop some heavily armed warlord from coming in and taking over an area, then declaring that his word is absolute?

In other words, what's stopping de facto governments from popping up?

An equally valid question, imo

In an anarcho-capitalist society, what's to keep the corporations from becoming de facto governments over the area they exist in?
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Ethan Allen
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Postby Ethan Allen » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:50 pm

The will of the consumer, and competition.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:59 pm

Neu California wrote:So, in a government free society, what's to stop some heavily armed warlord from coming in and taking over an area, then declaring that his word is absolute?

In other words, what's stopping de facto governments from popping up?

Historically, people have banded together in personal protection schemes in the absence of a strong state. Many of these take the forms of large extended families.
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In a stateless society you would reach majority far later. Lacking government services, you would rely on family or church communities to provide such things- both of which are a lot more willing to get all up in your business than some bureaucrat. Again, look at actual stateless societies.
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Page
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Postby Page » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:00 am

Neu California wrote:So, in a government free society, what's to stop some heavily armed warlord from coming in and taking over an area, then declaring that his word is absolute?

In other words, what's stopping de facto governments from popping up?


A stateless society can have self-defense forces.
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Vistulange
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Postby Vistulange » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:50 am

Page wrote:
Neu California wrote:So, in a government free society, what's to stop some heavily armed warlord from coming in and taking over an area, then declaring that his word is absolute?

In other words, what's stopping de facto governments from popping up?


A stateless society can have self-defense forces.

What is it, precisely, that prevents these self-defence forces - whom I assume to be armed - from assuming control of the society and how it functions through their arms, thereby establishing what is essentially a state?

The only way I can see that not being the case is if everybody is a part of the aforementioned self-defence force, i.e. a militia of the people.

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:44 am

1. Ranked ballots. I'm tired of this "lesser of two evils" crap.

2. Nationalize all things connected to the medical sciences. There is no reason to have capitalism's perverse incentives contaminate them.

3. Kick the private sector out of education. No more capitalistic standardized testing, or capitalistic textbooks. No more private schools that allow the rich to abandon the rest of us.

4. Speaking of standardized testing, make it more frequent, but less high-stakes. A few bad days can throw off a student's performance if too much grade weighting is on too few tests. And then those who care the most get the least sleep the night before anyway. But if they're teaching the same curriculum, give 'em the same tests.

5. Replace the "age of criminal responsibility" with a gradual sliding scale. And make that sliding scale a HELL of a lot more gradual than the current differences between how teenage criminals are treated and how older criminals are treated.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:02 pm

Vistulange wrote:
Page wrote:
A stateless society can have self-defense forces.

What is it, precisely, that prevents these self-defence forces - whom I assume to be armed - from assuming control of the society and how it functions through their arms, thereby establishing what is essentially a state?

The only way I can see that not being the case is if everybody is a part of the aforementioned self-defence force, i.e. a militia of the people.

Decentralization of command.
Of course this has the downside of "more or less constant civil war" if you don't get the incentive structures perfect, but eh.
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