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In the view of most people on this thread, the most important areas for reform are ...

To change the way our leaders come to power.
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26%
Universal Healthcare.
14
25%
Totally private healthcare.
2
4%
To give people more welfare.
2
4%
To reduce welfare.
1
2%
To increase the amount of power the Government has in general.
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7%
To decrease the amount of power the Government has in general.
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21%
To legalize something. (Comment what)
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4%
To ban something. (Comment what)
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Something else. (Comment what)
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9%
 
Total votes : 57

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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:55 pm

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A respectable change I'd be fine with.





One would involve breaking treaties to defend our allies, such as Poland.

Two is something not even States have, and if anything I'd like to nom more territory.

I support three and four. Anti protest laws are stupid and so is mass surveillance.

Five is a meme law.


I don't know when we are keeping troops in poland. We have soldiers worldwide fighting in wars that aren't our own. Currently we are standing against iran to protect the Saudis and israelis despite the fact that they should be fighting that war and not us. We can work out treaties but in the end our soldiers should be brought home. As for #2 we as a country will be just fine without guam. Many territories may in fact choose to remain part of America or even become states. And #5 is a meme, but one we all should get behind, just like my petition to have Jaystation banned from owning camera equipment of any kind


We do in fact keep troops in Poland, we don't have any in Iran (did you mean Iraq?) and I think it's good to have forward deployed bases. I happen to like Guam. As far as having them become states ... THAT is something I can very much support. Every territory we control should have the full rights afforded to every other territory, including the ability to declare Bankruptcy to protect them from debt vultures.

I do think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are stupid, but if we're going to leave we NEED to bring back anyone there who fought for us and make them citizens. It's only fair.
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Postby US-SSR » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:50 pm

1. Expand the Supreme Court to as many justices as needed.
2. Abolish the Electoral College, institute direct election of the President.
3. Reverse Citizens United, public funding of all elections, national, state, county, local.
4. Reverse Selby County, full and effective enforcement of voting rights.
5. Support organized labor: fully staff and fund the National Labor Relations Board, mandate union representation for all workers and union representation on all corporate boards, no corporate acquisitions or bankruptcies without first giving workers the option to purchase and run the company with government financial and technical assistance.

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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:00 pm

US-SSR wrote:1. Expand the Supreme Court to as many justices as needed.
2. Abolish the Electoral College, institute direct election of the President.
3. Reverse Citizens United, public funding of all elections, national, state, county, local.
4. Reverse Selby County, full and effective enforcement of voting rights.
5. Support organized labor: fully staff and fund the National Labor Relations Board, mandate union representation for all workers and union representation on all corporate boards, no corporate acquisitions or bankruptcies without first giving workers the option to purchase and run the company with government financial and technical assistance.

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I agree with all of these except 4, and only because I am not familiar with what the Selby County ruling was. I'm going to go ahead and say there's a 90% chance I'd agree with it if I knew what it was though, based on your description. Would you care to explain, comrade?
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Postby Samadhi » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:18 pm

Complete abolishment of political class and activities.
Reform law to be based upon a principal of harm reduction instead of political decree.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:36 pm

Samadhi wrote:Complete abolishment of political class and activities.
Reform law to be based upon a principal of harm reduction instead of political decree.


How ... Are you going to make all political activity illegal and then have laws? What?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:39 pm

1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:46 pm

Only one change needed: a return to a strictly (as written) constitutional government.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:51 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Only one change needed: a return to a strictly (as written) constitutional government.


People have different ideas of what that means. What does it mean to you?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:52 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.

What no abolishing eating sheep?
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:53 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.

What no abolishing eating sheep?


Please, no kink-shaming.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:54 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Only one change needed: a return to a strictly (as written) constitutional government.


People have different ideas of what that means. What does it mean to you?


Exactly what it says: Eliminate every thing not explicitly written in the constitution. That would reduce the government back to acceptable levels.
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Postby Samadhi » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:55 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Samadhi wrote:Complete abolishment of political class and activities.
Reform law to be based upon a principal of harm reduction instead of political decree.


How ... Are you going to make all political activity illegal and then have laws? What?


Second part answers the first.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.

What no abolishing eating sheep?


That would only give us prohibition-like problems :(

I can see it happening now, people secretly breeding sheep in their basements, hoping that the police won't show up :lol:
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1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:03 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:What no abolishing eating sheep?


That would only give us prohibition-like problems :(

I can see it happening now, people secretly breeding sheep in their basements, hoping that the police won't show up :lol:


*Hides his basement goats.* As long as it's limited to sheep, I'm good.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:04 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


Maybe I don't want to be president though.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:04 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
People have different ideas of what that means. What does it mean to you?


Exactly what it says: Eliminate every thing not explicitly written in the constitution. That would reduce the government back to acceptable levels.


This is almost as dumb as what the Anarchist proposed.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:16 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.


Those all sound reasonable except I think the Monarchy is cool :S
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:17 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


Ah, 40k! Kaltovar is inspired by what might happen if the Imperium of Man had a baby with the Soviet Union.

If that thought warps your brain, it's supposed to.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:19 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.


Those all sound reasonable except I think the Monarchy is cool :S


>monarchy
>cool

Pick one.

Kaltovar wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


Ah, 40k! Kaltovar is inspired by what might happen if the Imperium of Man had a baby with the Soviet Union.

If that thought warps your brain, it's supposed to.


Are you telling me they aren't the same thing?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:23 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:1. Reform the Eerste Kamer.
2. Reform the common agricultural policy (EU)
3. Introduce airplane fuel tax equivalent to what we have for cars and other methods of transportation (EU)
4. Reform article 23 of the Dutch constitution
5. Abolish the monarchy.


Those all sound reasonable except I think the Monarchy is cool :S


It's inhumane, they're the only ones who have to explicitly ask the government for permission to marry.
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:24 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


This is unironically what some people think actually happened after the 2016 election.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


This is unironically what some people think actually happened after the 2016 election.


Memes aren't unironic. Nobody legitimately believes Trump become an all-powerful dictator overnight.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:36 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
Those all sound reasonable except I think the Monarchy is cool :S


It's inhumane, they're the only ones who have to explicitly ask the government for permission to marry.


So, reform it so they can marry whoever they want!
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:37 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. Abolish the government.
2. Install the God-Emperor of Man as President of the United States.
3. Drink the tears of traitors and heretics.
4. ???
5. Profit.


This is unironically what some people think actually happened after the 2016 election.


Just because people say it doesn't mean they believe it, comrade. That's what we in the 90s used to call trolling.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Are you telling me they aren't the same thing?


The Imperium is more like if the USSR had a baby with Nazi Germany and the leader was an Enlightened Roman Emperor but then he died and it turned into a DPRK style Necrocracy.
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