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What five changes to the government would you make?

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In the view of most people on this thread, the most important areas for reform are ...

To change the way our leaders come to power.
15
26%
Universal Healthcare.
14
25%
Totally private healthcare.
2
4%
To give people more welfare.
2
4%
To reduce welfare.
1
2%
To increase the amount of power the Government has in general.
4
7%
To decrease the amount of power the Government has in general.
12
21%
To legalize something. (Comment what)
2
4%
To ban something. (Comment what)
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Something else. (Comment what)
5
9%
 
Total votes : 57

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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Neutraligon wrote:There was one about hat 5 changes you would make to the government if you had ultimate power. It was quoted here viewtopic.php?p=36641145#p36641145


Actually, you can lock it. Please do so.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Katganistan wrote:What is meant to be discussed here? There's no OP.

Farnhamia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:It's simple: What five reforms would you make to your own country if you had ultimate power? This is not a thread for DEBATING the reforms people would make UNLESS you have ALSO posted your reforms first.

For me it would be, in no particular order:

1: Universal Healthcare
2: Drug Law Reform (Legalizing weed and decriminalizing hard drugs for PERSONAL use (not sales) in addition to amnesty for people convicted under old laws)
3: Prison Reform (No more private prisons, no more mandatory minimum sentences, felons can vote)
4: Ranked Choice Voting
5: Legalize Machineguns (pewpew)

Hi.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There was one about hat 5 changes you would make to the government if you had ultimate power. It was quoted here viewtopic.php?p=36641145#p36641145


Actually, you can lock it. Please do so.

Why? It was going along nicely.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:01 pm

Kaltovar wrote:It's simple: What five reforms would you make to your own country if you had ultimate power?

I might have been able to propose actual reforms if you were simply to posit us readers as heads of government with restrictions therein - but since I can't be trusted with any position more important than senior management (which I hold at my current company) or Head Girl (which I held when I was a Year 11 student in 1991/92 ;P)...

The reintroduction of the following institutions, in the following order, all of which count as "reforming" society from the state of having some flavour of Leviathan in power:
  • Immediately: The Monarchy's status in power, including QEII as Head of State - by which necessitates now limiting myself to Head of Government - and Head of the Church of England.
  • Within minutes of Point 1: The judicial systems of England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland; and the Supreme Court. This with the caveat that ongoing court cases should resume under their current conditions.
  • Within minutes of Point 2: Free and fair Parliamentary Democracy - including the Lords; and snap elections for the Devolved governments and the Commons. From this point - or at least after whatever Purdah periods are somehow agreed upon by the courts - I will be able to campaign for my party, whatever it may be, and attempt to outline what actual reforms I would bring to the table.
  • Within minutes of Point 3: Limitations on government power, i.e. Civil society's restoration - including local government and the Grammar Schools, business trading permits, re-implementation of Section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and other pieces of legislation that provided power to institutions outside HM Government, etc.
  • Within hours of this shenanigans beginning: An application to have Britain's suspension from The Commonwealth lifted. I have assumed that a suspension would be imposed in this event, as has happened when tyrants have taken over in other Commonwealth states. That makes five reforms and most things back to normal.
Having "gotten Brexit done" will not count as a reform off my bat in this instance because it is the byproduct of Parliament having been dissolved for election until late February at the earliest; this means that it is unable to pass either the Withdrawal Agreement Bill or any legislation to delay Brexit, meaning that the UK leaves the EU with no deal on January 31st as was the presumed legal default and not through any will of my own.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
Actually, you can lock it. Please do so.

Why? It was going along nicely.


If I can't post what sort of replies I'd like to have in my thread, I'm not interested in having a thread. Other people are free to make one of the same type. I started it for a specific reason hoping to get replies of a certain nature, and avoid a certain kind of toxic nonsense that tends to happen on NS. Since that's no longer allowed to be implicit in the thread, why bother?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:03 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Why? It was going along nicely.


If I can't post what sort of replies I'd like to have in my thread, I'm not interested in having a thread. Other people are free to make one of the same type.

There is no thread ownership in Nation States General.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
If I can't post what sort of replies I'd like to have in my thread, I'm not interested in having a thread. Other people are free to make one of the same type.

There is no thread ownership in Nation States General.


I started it in the wrong subforum.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Why? It was going along nicely.


If I can't post what sort of replies I'd like to have in my thread, I'm not interested in having a thread. Other people are free to make one of the same type.

There's no thread ownership here in General (the rules on that are slightly different in Roleplay). You can say what you'd like to see happen but you can't make it a rule. And anyway, how would you stop people from posting around your rule? Report them to Moderation? They're not breaking any official rules.
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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:05 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
If I can't post what sort of replies I'd like to have in my thread, I'm not interested in having a thread. Other people are free to make one of the same type.

There's no thread ownership here in General (the rules on that are slightly different in Roleplay). You can say what you'd like to see happen but you can't make it a rule. And anyway, how would you stop people from posting around your rule? Report them to Moderation? They're not breaking any official rules.


I wouldn't. I said what the thread is for, and what it's not for. At no point did I claim the ability to prevent them from doing anything.

Since you felt the need to tell me that was wrong, I assumed I was not allowed to tell people what I would and would not like to see, since that is all I did.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:There's no thread ownership here in General (the rules on that are slightly different in Roleplay). You can say what you'd like to see happen but you can't make it a rule. And anyway, how would you stop people from posting around your rule? Report them to Moderation? They're not breaking any official rules.


I wouldn't. I said what the thread is for, and what it's not for. At no point did I claim the ability to prevent them from doing anything.

Since you felt the need to tell me that was wrong, I assumed I was not allowed to tell people what I would and would not like to see, since that is all I did.

Sorry I confused you. It's not a bad thread, we've had this sort of thing from time to time. Go ahead and restore the OP, because we don't actually lock on request.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:There's no thread ownership here in General (the rules on that are slightly different in Roleplay). You can say what you'd like to see happen but you can't make it a rule. And anyway, how would you stop people from posting around your rule? Report them to Moderation? They're not breaking any official rules.


I wouldn't. I said what the thread is for, and what it's not for. At no point did I claim the ability to prevent them from doing anything.

Since you felt the need to tell me that was wrong, I assumed I was not allowed to tell people what I would and would not like to see, since that is all I did.


Don't worry about it, botched OPs happen from time to time. You can always improve it by another edit or just let the thread slide down. It will soon disappear or be closed given the current state of things.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
I wouldn't. I said what the thread is for, and what it's not for. At no point did I claim the ability to prevent them from doing anything.

Since you felt the need to tell me that was wrong, I assumed I was not allowed to tell people what I would and would not like to see, since that is all I did.

Sorry I confused you. It's not a bad thread, we've had this sort of thing from time to time. Go ahead and restore the OP, because we don't actually lock on request.

Huh, I should have waited a bit longer to roll out a replacement clearly.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Nah homie, we gonna keep talking about governmental reform.

Five things I would do are as follows:

•Pull all United States soldiers out of military bases worldwide
•Officially give all US overseas territories the option to declare independence
•Declare all anti BDS laws null and unconstitutional
•Heavily restrict what kind of surveillance the FBI, CIA and NSA can practice
•Revoke Ninja's citizenship and deport him to whatever country most Americans hate the most, so they can deal with him
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Heloin wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sorry I confused you. It's not a bad thread, we've had this sort of thing from time to time. Go ahead and restore the OP, because we don't actually lock on request.

Huh, I should have waited a bit longer to roll out a replacement clearly.

Clearly.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:09 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Heloin wrote:Huh, I should have waited a bit longer to roll out a replacement clearly.

Clearly.

I'm going hid in my train hovel for a bit.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:09 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:•Revoke Ninja's citizenship and deport him to whatever country most Americans hate the most, so they can deal with him

Who and why?

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Heloin wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:•Revoke Ninja's citizenship and deport him to whatever country most Americans hate the most, so they can deal with him

Who and why?


Remember the guy driving the fortnite bus in YouTube Rewind 2018? Yeah I want his ass out of America
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:12 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Heloin wrote:Who and why?


Remember the guy driving the fortnite bus in YouTube Rewind 2018?

No idea what that is.

Yeah I want his ass out of America

Why?

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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
I wouldn't. I said what the thread is for, and what it's not for. At no point did I claim the ability to prevent them from doing anything.

Since you felt the need to tell me that was wrong, I assumed I was not allowed to tell people what I would and would not like to see, since that is all I did.

Sorry I confused you. It's not a bad thread, we've had this sort of thing from time to time. Go ahead and restore the OP, because we don't actually lock on request.


OP Restored, since I seem to be allowed to tell people what it's for :bow:

Hopefully I don't get banned for not editing it, with that being taken as obstinance of some kind. I'm interpreting your comment to mean you accept that my OP was not claiming thread ownership. Or, failing that, that you're fine with it being up at the very least.
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:26 pm

Kaltovar wrote:It's simple: What five reforms would you make to your own country if you had ultimate power?

For me it would be, in no particular order:

1: Universal Healthcare
2: Drug Law Reform (Legalizing weed and decriminalizing hard drugs for PERSONAL use (not sales) in addition to amnesty for people convicted under old laws)
3: Prison Reform (No more private prisons, no more mandatory minimum sentences, felons can vote)
4: Ranked Choice Voting
5: Legalize Machineguns (pewpew)


Mine would be more or less the same, except replace #5 with laws explicitly protecting people's privacy and outlawing surveillance of U.S. citizens without a search warrant and probable cause.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:30 pm

Heloin wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Remember the guy driving the fortnite bus in YouTube Rewind 2018?

No idea what that is.

Yeah I want his ass out of America

Why?


You're lucky you don't know what that is, and ninja is a fortnite streamer than acts like a manchild and bans people from servers for fun because unfortunately he's an admin.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Vallermoore » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:36 pm

1-Partly legalize all soft and some moderately hard drugs, but treat them like bowie knives are treated nowadays-in that you can't have them in a public place. You can have them in your own place, or in someone else's place with their consent, but not in public/government land. Of course drug driving would still be illegal.

2-End Benefit sanctions unless someone has got themselves jailed (in which case the prison would feed them.) If starvation is not allowed as a punishment for prisoners, then it shouldn't be a punishment for free people either.

3-Bring in rent control and use houses that are empty for more then three years to house people.

4-execute murderers and pedophiles.

5-make prisons places to fear but without making them like Shawshank.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:39 pm

I would like to really give a lot of powers back to states, especially their drinking age, which imo is not the governments business
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Kaltovar » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:It's simple: What five reforms would you make to your own country if you had ultimate power?

For me it would be, in no particular order:

1: Universal Healthcare
2: Drug Law Reform (Legalizing weed and decriminalizing hard drugs for PERSONAL use (not sales) in addition to amnesty for people convicted under old laws)
3: Prison Reform (No more private prisons, no more mandatory minimum sentences, felons can vote)
4: Ranked Choice Voting
5: Legalize Machineguns (pewpew)


Mine would be more or less the same, except replace #5 with laws explicitly protecting people's privacy and outlawing surveillance of U.S. citizens without a search warrant and probable cause.


A respectable change I'd be fine with.


Rojava Free State wrote:Nah homie, we gonna keep talking about governmental reform.

Five things I would do are as follows:

•Pull all United States soldiers out of military bases worldwide
•Officially give all US overseas territories the option to declare independence
•Declare all anti BDS laws null and unconstitutional
•Heavily restrict what kind of surveillance the FBI, CIA and NSA can practice
•Revoke Ninja's citizenship and deport him to whatever country most Americans hate the most, so they can deal with him



One would involve breaking treaties to defend our allies, such as Poland.

Two is something not even States have, and if anything I'd like to nom more territory.

I support three and four. Anti protest laws are stupid and so is mass surveillance.

Five is a meme law.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:45 pm

Kaltovar wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Mine would be more or less the same, except replace #5 with laws explicitly protecting people's privacy and outlawing surveillance of U.S. citizens without a search warrant and probable cause.


A respectable change I'd be fine with.


Rojava Free State wrote:Nah homie, we gonna keep talking about governmental reform.

Five things I would do are as follows:

•Pull all United States soldiers out of military bases worldwide
•Officially give all US overseas territories the option to declare independence
•Declare all anti BDS laws null and unconstitutional
•Heavily restrict what kind of surveillance the FBI, CIA and NSA can practice
•Revoke Ninja's citizenship and deport him to whatever country most Americans hate the most, so they can deal with him



One would involve breaking treaties to defend our allies, such as Poland.

Two is something not even States have, and if anything I'd like to nom more territory.

I support three and four. Anti protest laws are stupid and so is mass surveillance.

Five is a meme law.


I don't know when we are keeping troops in poland. We have soldiers worldwide fighting in wars that aren't our own. Currently we are standing against iran to protect the Saudis and israelis despite the fact that they should be fighting that war and not us. We can work out treaties but in the end our soldiers should be brought home. As for #2 we as a country will be just fine without guam. Many territories may in fact choose to remain part of America or even become states. And #5 is a meme, but one we all should get behind, just like my petition to have Jaystation banned from owning camera equipment of any kind
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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