Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Nazeroth]

you know what's great about being right wing?

even though we all picked retard as the poll option, we are clearly doing it for fun and not out of meaness.

[Salus Maior]

you know what's great about being right wing?

even though we all picked retard as the poll option, we are clearly doing it for fun and not out of meaness.

We're a jovial bunch of brigands and neer-do-wells.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I was suprised how ahead of his time Julius Evola was

Literally the cringiest person of the 20th century lol

If I recall correctly, even the Italian fascists had problems with him.

[Jolthig]

I'm reading through the Old Testament for a class, which is the first time for me, at least thoroughly.

It's interesting how many references there are to Mesopotamian geography in Genesis. Maybe there's something historical to Abraham's origins.

Indeed. Abraham (peace be on him) was originally from that region.

[Luminesa]

you know what's great about being right wing?

even though we all picked retard as the poll option, we are clearly doing it for fun and not out of meaness.

I picked “other” just to be edgy.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

you know what's great about being right wing?

even though we all picked retard as the poll option, we are clearly doing it for fun and not out of meaness.

I picked “other” just to be edgy.

I think the "retard" option is more edgy, but that's just me.

[Samudera Darussalam]

you know what's great about being right wing?

even though we all picked retard as the poll option, we are clearly doing it for fun and not out of meaness.

I picked “other” just to be edgy.

I would never imagine Lumi trying to be edgy, but eh....

I picked other because well....I don't really like calling people retard even if it's only a joke. Beside I'm afraid that UMN will sue.

[The Liberated Territories]

calling people retard is retarded

[Luminesa]

I picked “other” just to be edgy.

I would never imagine Lumi trying to be edgy, but eh....

I picked other because well....I don't really like calling people retard even if it's only a joke. Beside I'm afraid that UMN will sue.

I and VERY edgy. Do you see the Pusheen mugs I bought with my OWN MONEY?!

I AM A REBEL.

[Hanafuridake]

What yall think of ted Kaczynski?

I just read his manifesto, and I was surprised at how far ahead of his own time he was. For something written over 30 years ago, one would hardly have been remiss to think it were written today.

I especially found interesting his equation of technological development limiting human freedom. Not gonna lie, that really started pricking at some anprin instincts I didnt know I had.

A wonderful read overall, from a... damaged genius.

I was suprised how ahead of his time Julius Evola was

Dude was a hypocrite who wrote about traditions he was never initiated in.

I'm reading through the Old Testament for a class, which is the first time for me, at least thoroughly.

It's interesting how many references there are to Mesopotamian geography in Genesis. Maybe there's something historical to Abraham's origins.

Coincidentally I've been rereading the Old Testament too.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

As Christians, it is our duty to spread the faith across the globe. While the Church has historically done well in conserving local traditions and culture, this varies tremendously depending when and where conversion occurred. How do you feel about this? Do you think conversion should be done in a culturally sensitive manner, in a manner that puts faith above all else, or not at all?

I think the emphasis must be on conversion. Cultural practices should not stand in the way of the Christian faith, and if they are outright anti-Christian they must be changed or removed. That being said, subtlety nets more believers than piggish stubbornness. We just shouldn't let the desire to be sensitive overshadow salvation. Feel free to answer these question even if you're not of the Christian faith (Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish).

[Hanafuridake]

As Christians, it is our duty to spread the faith across the globe. While the Church has historically done well in conserving local traditions and culture, this varies tremendously depending when and where conversion occurred. How do you feel about this? Do you think conversion should be done in a culturally sensitive manner, in a manner that puts faith above all else, or not at all?

I think the emphasis must be on conversion. Cultural practices should not stand in the way of the Christian faith, and if they are outright anti-Christian they must be changed or removed. That being said, subtlety nets more believers than piggish stubbornness. We just shouldn't let the desire to be sensitive overshadow salvation. Feel free to answer these question even if you're not of the Christian faith (Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish).

Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with my religion and civilization, so I'm evidently not fond of missionaries. It's impossible to separate local traditions and culture from the religion they developed from, it's ironically very liberal to believe so.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with my religion and civilization, so I'm evidently not fond of missionaries.

What are your views on the spread of Buddhism itself? Should it be spread, and should that spread be culturally sensitive or not?

It's impossible to separate local traditions and culture from the religion they developed from, it's ironically very liberal to believe so.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. If it's that local traditions and culture often derive from religion, well of course. That is self-evident more often than not. If it's that local traditions cannot be separated from religion, that is, they won't be practiced without the original religion they derive from, well that's nonsense. You only need to glance at history to pick examples of traditions that remain even when religions change.

[Hanafuridake]

Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with my religion and civilization, so I'm evidently not fond of missionaries.

What are your views on the spread of Buddhism itself? Should it be spread, and should that spread be culturally sensitive or not?

Buddhist temples in Japan ought to become more intellectually vigorous in order to keep a following among younger people and to combat the spread of non-Buddhist religions, but I don't think it ought to attempt to convert overseas. My practice mostly consists of prayers for the good of the nation and that's probably a major reason I'm not interested in converting in places such as North America.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. If it's that local traditions and culture often derive from religion, well of course. That is self-evident more often than not. If it's that local traditions cannot be separated from religion, that is, they won't be practiced without the original religion they derive from, well that's nonsense. You only need to glance at history to pick examples of traditions that remain even when religions change.

We're speaking really abstractly at the moment, could you provide some examples of local traditions so we're both sure what the other is talking about?

[The Rich Port]

What are your views on the spread of Buddhism itself? Should it be spread, and should that spread be culturally sensitive or not?

Buddhist temples in Japan ought to become more intellectually vigorous in order to keep a following among younger people and to combat the spread of non-Buddhist religions, but I don't think it ought to attempt to convert overseas. My practice mostly consists of prayers for the good of the nation and that's probably a major reason I'm not interested in converting in places such as North America.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. If it's that local traditions and culture often derive from religion, well of course. That is self-evident more often than not. If it's that local traditions cannot be separated from religion, that is, they won't be practiced without the original religion they derive from, well that's nonsense. You only need to glance at history to pick examples of traditions that remain even when religions change.

We're speaking really abstractly at the moment, could you provide some examples of local traditions so we're both sure what the other is talking about?

Seriously. Pretty sure Buddha isn't into jingoism.

Don't make America come back there and slap that belly.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Buddhist temples in Japan ought to become more intellectually vigorous in order to keep a following among younger people and to combat the spread of non-Buddhist religions, but I don't think it ought to attempt to convert overseas. My practice mostly consists of prayers for the good of the nation and that's probably a major reason I'm not interested in converting in places such as North America.

It's a strange thing to realise I'm essentially a religious globalist relative to many regional beliefs. Call it confirmation bias, but I think that only reinforces the truth of Christianity.

We're speaking really abstractly at the moment, could you provide some examples of local traditions so we're both sure what the other is talking about?

The example that comes immediately to mind is Maslenitsa, a celebration of the coming end of winter. Like several other holidays, especially here in Russia, it went from being pagan, to Christian, to secular (because of the Soviets). Another example I know of is slametan, which is a Javanese feast. I think its origins are in the Javanese religion but it survived even under Islam. Do these clarify my point?

[Samudera Darussalam]

Buddhist temples in Japan ought to become more intellectually vigorous in order to keep a following among younger people and to combat the spread of non-Buddhist religions, but I don't think it ought to attempt to convert overseas. My practice mostly consists of prayers for the good of the nation and that's probably a major reason I'm not interested in converting in places such as North America.

It's a strange thing to realise I'm essentially a religious globalist relative to many regional beliefs. Call it confirmation bias, but I think that only reinforces the truth of Christianity.

We're speaking really abstractly at the moment, could you provide some examples of local traditions so we're both sure what the other is talking about?

The example that comes immediately to mind is Maslenitsa, a celebration of the coming end of winter. Like several other holidays, especially here in Russia, it went from being pagan, to Christian, to secular (because of the Soviets). Another example I know of is slametan, which is a Javanese feast. I think its origins are in the Javanese religion but it survived even under Islam. Do these clarify my point?

I'm not sure if Kejawen, the Javanese 'religion' that you said even clarifies as a religion (given the lack of texts like the Bible or the Qur'an) but yes, it's descended from Javanese tradition.

[Hanafuridake]

It's a strange thing to realise I'm essentially a religious globalist relative to many regional beliefs. Call it confirmation bias, but I think that only reinforces the truth of Christianity.

Buddhism is universal and there are Buddhist organizations, mainly nembutsu and Nichiren, which have made inroads into the Americas and Europe, but that is not the reason that I'm a Buddhist. The last point I'm not going to get into, I wish there was a religious debate thread but it would probably burn down the entire forum.

The example that comes immediately to mind is Maslenitsa, a celebration of the coming end of winter. Like several other holidays, especially here in Russia, it went from being pagan, to Christian, to secular (because of the Soviets). Another example I know of is slametan, which is a Javanese feast. I think its origins are in the Javanese religion but it survived even under Islam. Do these clarify my point?

A little. I suppose it depends on the traditions in question.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Buddhism is universal and there are Buddhist organizations, mainly nembutsu and Nichiren, which have made inroads into the Americas and Europe, but that is not the reason that I'm a Buddhist.

Apples and oranges, apples and oranges.

I wish there was a religious debate thread but it would probably burn down the entire forum.

It'd be interesting for sure, but I think any meaningful discussion would be stifled by atheist and zoomer tradposting. You know what I mean.

A little. I suppose it depends on the traditions in question.

It behooves you to remember that just because separating tradition from religion is a favourite liberal pastime, does not actually make that phenomenon or the recognition of that liberal.

[Hanafuridake]

He had a childhood eye injury and would take cocaine throughout his life to deal with the pain.

Ouch. As for the ideology, looks like boring esoteric intellectualism.

That's a pass from me.

The article unfortunately leaves out the more interesting aspects of his thought, such as his Nichirenism or the belief that social democracy would lead to human beings evolving into a "divine species" that would realize heaven on earth.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The article unfortunately leaves out the more interesting aspects of his thought, such as his Nichirenism or the belief that social democracy would lead to human beings evolving into a "divine species" that would realize heaven on earth.

That's exactly the sort of thing which loses my interest. I mean really, social democracy as the key to heaven on Earth? It's common knowledge that communal anarchism is the only route to realising the Kingdom of God.

[Hanafuridake]

It'd be interesting for sure, but I think any meaningful discussion would be stifled by atheist and zoomer tradposting. You know what I mean.

Yeah, anything substantial that is posted would be drowned out by nations with 2 or 3 posts who appeared out of the blue to talk about a certain Italian gentleman who was friends with Musso and Himmler.

It behooves you to remember that just because separating tradition from religion is a favourite liberal pastime, does not actually make that phenomenon or the recognition of that liberal.

Fair.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Yeah, anything substantial that is posted would be drowned out by nations with 2 or 3 posts who appeared out of the blue to talk about a certain Italian gentleman who was friends with Musso and Himmler.

Not to mention pagan LARPers, fedora-wearing atheists and, I'm ashamed to say it, poorly informed tradcaths. I'm convinced the issue wouldn't be heated disagreements on the nature of God, the world, etc. but just a deluge of low-effort posts.

[Hanafuridake]

I've been busy the past couple of days, in my spare time I've been rereading the Lotus Sutra and trying to understand it better. It's strange to me that people think Buddhism is so pessimistic when it is probably the most optimistic religion there is.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Goddamn, I feel kinda like OEP these last couple days. Been a fucking wild ride, and it's still going.