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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:56 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
There are myths and stories aplenty, often ending with the conclusion that if only Moltke had strengthened his right wing in the way that Schlieffen had conceived of it, the defeat of France would have been assured.
The reality, I believe, is far different. The Schlieffen plan in a sense doomed the Germans to a long drawn out war and a battle of attrition which they couldn't win (considering they were not up against France alone).

The key issue was that the plan was extremely rigid. Everything was planned to the last detail, so much so that one train being late could derail the entire schedule. Also, the plan contained no failsafe. Most countries had a mobilization plan which had them gather their strength and get troops to certain points and for them to wait there for a go/no go. The German mobilization plan (included as part of Schlieffen's plan) did not have such a go/no go mechanism. In the case of Imperial Germany, mobilization meant war.

Another issue is that the ideas that Schlieffen and his successor Moltke had were at best unrealistically optimistic and depended significantly on the enemy doing precisely what the plan required the enemy to do. In the end, even with an entire extra army on the right wing, the attack would have failed. Perhaps the battle of the Marne would have been drawn out longer than it was in reality, but by the end of 1914 there still would have been a race to the sea and the very same end that we got in the end. Germany simply did not have the forces to do what it wanted to do, and the lack of coordination between the commanders of First and Second armies doomed the plan and almost got First army destroyed.

The decision to abandon the Prussian general idea of "let the commanders do what they do best and improvise as long as it follows a general plan" in favor of "Every little detail must be meticulously planned 10 years in advance" was one of their biggest mistakes where the military is concerned imo.

TBH the Germans didn't really figure out a good system for that during the war. See the mistakes around Vimy ridge.
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:08 pm

TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:19 pm

Diopolis wrote:TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.


I guess it depends heavily on whom you hang around with.

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:20 pm

Nakena wrote:
Diopolis wrote:TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.


I guess it depends heavily on whom you hang around with.

The very old but not quite senile crowd, in this case.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:27 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I guess it depends heavily on whom you hang around with.

The very old but not quite senile crowd, in this case.


Was going to say this sounds like a bizarro mix of /x/ meets /pol/ tier crowd.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:39 pm

Nakena wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The very old but not quite senile crowd, in this case.


Was going to say this sounds like a bizarro mix of /x/ meets /pol/ tier crowd.


What is /x/?

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:50 pm

Nakena wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The very old but not quite senile crowd, in this case.


Was going to say this sounds like a bizarro mix of /x/ meets /pol/ tier crowd.

If /x/ has a baby with /pol/, and it’s raised by Bigfoot...
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Postby Fahran » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:23 pm

Diopolis wrote:TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.

wut
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:43 pm

Diopolis wrote:TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.

Someone put too much tin foil in their tin foil hat.
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:49 pm

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:TFW when people calmly explain to you the need for a second holocaust because the jews are covering up atlantean perpetual motion machines that can let us colonize space with no rockets. Also, solve peak oil and global warming from killing us all.
You know, that, "You just horrified Dio by being an anti-semitic loon" feeling.

wut

Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:04 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Fahran wrote:wut

Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.


Tbh, if these conspiracy theories were actually true, I'd welcome our new ubermensh Jewish overlords.

Who doesn't want space travel?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:56 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Fahran wrote:wut

Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.


Are you gay by any chance?

I mean I am bi too. so no shame.

Salus Maior wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.


Tbh, if these conspiracy theories were actually true, I'd welcome our new ubermensh Jewish overlords.

Who doesn't want space travel?


See JEWS IN SPACE.

We're Jews out in space
We're zooming along
protecting the Hebrew race

We're Jews out in space
If trouble appears
we put it right back in its place

When goyim attack us
We give 'em a smack
we'll slap them right back in the face

We're Jews out in space
We're zooming along
protecting the Hebrew race

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:02 pm

I've noticed you hear a lot about North Korea and Iran providing technical and security support to sketchy regimes with a bad Human rights record, but no one ever talks about Israel's own continuing history in that regard. They're the go-to for pro-American regimes that nonetheless are too shitty for America to outright arm (the Arabs don't count, for some reason America has qualms arming African dictatorships and kleptocrats but not Arab ones).

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:07 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I've noticed you hear a lot about North Korea and Iran providing technical and security support to sketchy regimes with a bad Human rights record, but no one ever talks about Israel's own continuing history in that regard. They're the go-to for pro-American regimes that nonetheless are too shitty for America to outright arm (the Arabs don't count, for some reason America has qualms arming African dictatorships and kleptocrats but not Arab ones).


Israel trained the Presidential Security Detail of Mobutu Sese Seko and some other dictators. They were (and still are) highly sought out for their skills.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:09 pm

Nakena wrote:Israel trained the Presidential Security Detail of Mobutu Sese Seko and some other dictators. They were (and still are) highly sought out for their skills.

Oh yes, Israeli security services have a plethora practical experience to shore up their technical expertise. And the necessary lack of scruples to sell their skills to any client as long as they're not a threat to Israel.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.


Tbh, if these conspiracy theories were actually true, I'd welcome our new ubermensh Jewish overlords.

Who doesn't want space travel?

Hear hear! Especially on the 75th anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:40 am

Nakena wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Clearly you personally relocated the library of Alexandria to blame the Christians for burning it down and hide the technology behind using the antikythera mechanism for space travel, I guess.


Are you gay by any chance?

I mean I am bi too. so no shame.

No. Why?
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:01 am

Diopolis wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Are you gay by any chance?

I mean I am bi too. so no shame.

No. Why?

Probably something related to this.

Currently listening to the livestream of the commemoration of the 75th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz. I have to say...

May the memory of the victims live eternally.
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Postby Goldstandardstan » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:04 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:What exactly is our geopolitical interest in supporting Israel? A country which has never fought a war on our side, and which has planned terror attacks against our nationals in order to further its own interests?

American business interest, but most importantly it's because of evangelical christian politicians who think the Jews and Israel in the Bible is the same as the current state of Israel.
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Postby Perisno » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:37 am

Goldstandardstan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What exactly is our geopolitical interest in supporting Israel? A country which has never fought a war on our side, and which has planned terror attacks against our nationals in order to further its own interests?

American business interest, but most importantly it's because of evangelical christian politicians who think the Jews and Israel in the Bible is the same as the current state of Israel.


No, I'm pretty sure its only because of aligned anti-Iran sentiment and the protection of liberal democracy.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:42 am

Perisno wrote:
Goldstandardstan wrote:American business interest, but most importantly it's because of evangelical christian politicians who think the Jews and Israel in the Bible is the same as the current state of Israel.


No, I'm pretty sure its only because of aligned anti-Iran sentiment and the protection of liberal democracy.

We don’t give a shit about liberal democracy in Latin America, and happily buddy up with pro-Iran governments when they’re also relatively pro-Jewish.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:53 am

Diopolis wrote:
Perisno wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure its only because of aligned anti-Iran sentiment and the protection of liberal democracy.

We don’t give a shit about liberal democracy in Latin America, and happily buddy up with pro-Iran governments when they’re also relatively pro-Jewish.


Well we actually do care about it in Latin America now, despite sometimes not so much so in the past.

And what pro Iran governments are you talking about?
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:01 am

Since everyone like alternative history here, what if Poland has not been partitioned nearly as harshly, the Third partition never happened and the First and Second much less severe?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

The Commonwealth would have reformed and likely become a successful major power again.
There might not have been a Communist Russian Revolution.. Tensions between Russia and Germany much reduced.

It is possible the Bonaparte dynasty would still rule France. Amongst other possibilities.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:15 am

Novus America wrote:Since everyone like alternative history here, what if Poland has not been partitioned nearly as harshly, the Third partition never happened and the First and Second much less severe?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

The Commonwealth would have reformed and likely become a successful major power again.
There might not have been a Communist Russian Revolution.. Tensions between Russia and Germany much reduced.

It is possible the Bonaparte dynasty would still rule France. Amongst other possibilities.

Hm. The only way I can think this could happen where things wouldn't go too off-the-charts is if Prussia fulfilled its promises and convinced Austria not to join a third partitioning (IRL, the Prussian king did the virtual opposite and convinced Austria to join the partitioning). Also, the likelihood of a Polish state existing in the 19th century would be higher if Prussia had argued in favor of its own partition (rather than let Russia have it in exchange for Rhenish territories) which... honestly, it's not likely.

That said, an independent Poland -regardless of its size- would actively change the 19th century. I'm not sure if it'd be for the better, but I can know it wouldn't be a great and/or a regional power regardless. Russia had cemented its position as the regional Great Power about 50 years before even the first partition.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:21 am

North German Realm wrote:
Novus America wrote:Since everyone like alternative history here, what if Poland has not been partitioned nearly as harshly, the Third partition never happened and the First and Second much less severe?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

The Commonwealth would have reformed and likely become a successful major power again.
There might not have been a Communist Russian Revolution.. Tensions between Russia and Germany much reduced.

It is possible the Bonaparte dynasty would still rule France. Amongst other possibilities.

Hm. The only way I can think this could happen where things wouldn't go too off-the-charts is if Prussia fulfilled its promises and convinced Austria not to join a third partitioning (IRL, the Prussian king did the virtual opposite and convinced Austria to join the partitioning). Also, the likelihood of a Polish state existing in the 19th century would be higher if Prussia had argued in favor of its own partition (rather than let Russia have it in exchange for Rhenish territories) which... honestly, it's not likely.

That said, an independent Poland -regardless of its size- would actively change the 19th century. I'm not sure if it'd be for the better, but I can know it wouldn't be a great and/or a regional power regardless. Russia had cemented its position as the regional Great Power about 50 years before even the first partition.


Sure it was not likely given the Russians and Germans were greedy backstabbing bastards but maybe if Austria and Germany had tried to protect and save at least the core of it rather than Germany being obsessed with destroying it (despite it being a faithful ally in the past).

Had they demanded it be preserved Russia probably would have been contented with what it got in the First Partition.

Ironically it appears the Partitions killed the German, Austria Hungarian and Russian Empires in the end.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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