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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by Diopolis
LRON wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It's in my ideal world. Hope you enjoy a balanced lifestyle of witchburnings, butter churning, and selling piracy insurance.

You know chap, for a Catholic you come across as particularly Calvinist. Are you certain you are not a queer Catholic?

Quite certain.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by Bienenhalde
Italios wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Syncretic bank nationalisation regime with top ten percentile penis size characteristics

that's actually my fantasy, as a gender critical individual to make the "bathroom police" a real thing


So if you are "gender critical", does that mean you support feminine men and persons with gender dysphoria, or is this just an excuse for misandry and transphobia?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by LRON
Purple Rats wrote:
LRON wrote:I do not understand the contemporary liberal position that because some people break the law that means that criminal actions ought to be legalised.


It's not about law and law breaking. It's more about safety. I am not saying that everything should be legal, because people break law... what?

But yes, trafficking will still be a problem.

It will be even worse if you allow those dastardly Balkanites free reign! As well as the Kurds!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Fahran wrote:Shall I start the next iteration or would someone else like to take the helm?

You can do it, let me DM you the poll stuff from this and the last poll.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by Italios
Purple Rats wrote:
Diopolis wrote:While I am not pro-prostitution, the tendency to use slaves for the dirty work is the only reason that comes to mind that it's any worse than regular fornication. And we have plenty of people who admit to that.


It's difficult topic, because if prostitution is illegal, then it does not mean that people don't do it. If it would be legal, but highly regulated, it's not gonna end illegal prostitution, but it could minimize it.

It's like banning drugs is not gonna save you from drug addicts from dying.

that statement is just not supported by fact. it's already been posted in this thread that among western nations with adequate social services for sex workers, with regulatory measures in place, legalizing, or even just decriminalizing sex work increases sex trafficking. read this article for more information. here's the article it cites. saying that something is always going to happen regardless of its legality is a terrible argument. by that metric no action should be illegal because the laws against that action can always be violated. the point of keeping sex work illegal to ensure that people responsible for coerced or forced sex work can always be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law, because they're taking away an individual's agency to their own body.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Fahran wrote:Shall I start the next iteration or would someone else like to take the helm?

You are good enough

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:08 pm
by Italios
i want (demand) marches makes the next thread so we can see him bumble around with the bb code formatting

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:09 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Italios wrote:legalizing, or even just decriminalizing sex work increases sex trafficking. read this article for more information. here's the article it cites. saying that something is always going to happen regardless of its legality is a terrible argument. by that metric no action should be illegal because the laws against that action can always be violated. the point of keeping sex work illegal to ensure that people responsible for coerced or forced sex work can always be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law, because they're taking away an individual's agency to their own body.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: but unironically

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:09 pm
by Diopolis
Bienenhalde wrote:
Italios wrote:that's actually my fantasy, as a gender critical individual to make the "bathroom police" a real thing


So if you are "gender critical", does that mean you support feminine men and persons with gender dysphoria, or is this just an excuse for misandry and transphobia?

Oh dear, you're buying into all that nonsense.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:10 pm
by Bienenhalde
Diopolis wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
So if you are "gender critical", does that mean you support feminine men and persons with gender dysphoria, or is this just an excuse for misandry and transphobia?

Oh dear, you're buying into all that nonsense.


I don't think it has realy been a secret that I am pro-LGBT.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:11 pm
by Purple Rats
Italios wrote:that statement is just not supported by fact. it's already been posted in this thread that among western nations with adequate social services for sex workers, with regulatory measures in place, legalizing, or even just decriminalizing sex work increases sex trafficking. read this article for more information. here's the article it cites. saying that something is always going to happen regardless of its legality is a terrible argument. by that metric no action should be illegal because the laws against that action can always be violated. the point of keeping sex work illegal to ensure that people responsible for coerced or forced sex work can always be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law, because they're taking away an individual's agency to their own body.


I already agreed that trafficking will still be a problem, I am not denying it.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:11 pm
by Italios
Bienenhalde wrote:
Italios wrote:that's actually my fantasy, as a gender critical individual to make the "bathroom police" a real thing


So if you are "gender critical", does that mean you support feminine men and persons with gender dysphoria, or is this just an excuse for misandry and transphobia?

this is not a real argument, next caller

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:12 pm
by LRON
You know there was a time where if you wanted to lop the old diddly doo ha off, you would be considered particularly insane. Or a devout Methodist with a penchant for killing actors turned assassins. Mhm hm.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:12 pm
by Diopolis
Purple Rats wrote:
Italios wrote:that statement is just not supported by fact. it's already been posted in this thread that among western nations with adequate social services for sex workers, with regulatory measures in place, legalizing, or even just decriminalizing sex work increases sex trafficking. read this article for more information. here's the article it cites. saying that something is always going to happen regardless of its legality is a terrible argument. by that metric no action should be illegal because the laws against that action can always be violated. the point of keeping sex work illegal to ensure that people responsible for coerced or forced sex work can always be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law, because they're taking away an individual's agency to their own body.


I already agreed that trafficking will still be a problem, I am not denying it.

So why are you claiming that "it'll happen anyways" is a valid argument for legalization?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:12 pm
by Italios
Purple Rats wrote:
Italios wrote:that statement is just not supported by fact. it's already been posted in this thread that among western nations with adequate social services for sex workers, with regulatory measures in place, legalizing, or even just decriminalizing sex work increases sex trafficking. read this article for more information. here's the article it cites. saying that something is always going to happen regardless of its legality is a terrible argument. by that metric no action should be illegal because the laws against that action can always be violated. the point of keeping sex work illegal to ensure that people responsible for coerced or forced sex work can always be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law, because they're taking away an individual's agency to their own body.


I already agreed that trafficking will still be a problem, I am not denying it.

you literally just said that legalizing sex work decreases sex trafficking, i'm saying that's a false narrative that's used to defend a position that actually sees more men, women and children involved in sexual slavery

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:13 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
LRON wrote:You know there was a time where if you wanted to lop the old diddly doo ha off, you would be considered particularly insane. Or a devout Methodist with a penchant for killing actors turned assassins. Mhm hm.

tories are cute

oh wait, no they aren't

*cocks dshk*

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:13 pm
by Diopolis
LRON wrote:You know there was a time where if you wanted to lop the old diddly doo ha off, you would be considered particularly insane.

Still are in my book.
Or a devout Methodist with a penchant for killing actors turned assassins. Mhm hm.

That guy was a piece of work.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:16 pm
by Nakena
If you pro-legalization of Drugs and Escorting then you should be intrinsically so, because you believe in it for proper reasons and beliefs and not because people "do it anyways".

And yes it's an extremly unpopular opinion in this place.

But stand for something.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:17 pm
by Hanafuridake
LRON wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It's in my ideal world. Hope you enjoy a balanced lifestyle of witchburnings, butter churning, and selling piracy insurance.

You know chap, for a Catholic you come across as particularly Calvinist. Are you certain you are not a queer Catholic?


I'm sure he's queer in a lot of ways, Protestant isn't one of them though.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:17 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Im pro death penalty for drug trafficking but I like doing drugs anyway rip

Sometimes internal consistency is just a spook. You don't need to stand for everything. You only need to stand for one thing.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:17 pm
by Cekoviu
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Im pro death penalty for drug trafficking but I like doing drugs anyway rip

Sometimes internal consistency is just a spook. You don't need to stand for everything. You only need to stand for one thing.

maybe you're just suicidal tbh

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:18 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Cekoviu wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Im pro death penalty for drug trafficking but I like doing drugs anyway rip

Sometimes internal consistency is just a spook. You don't need to stand for everything. You only need to stand for one thing.

maybe you're just suicidal tbh
The most dangerous drug I ever took is the one that's legal and consumed by 90% of the population and that's honestly true. Cocaine is not that bad for you. That doesn't mean you should be able to buy it in the supermarket

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:18 pm
by Italios
when prussia-steinbach couldn't be there for us, questers was

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:19 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
we're on 501, lazy fahran

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:19 pm
by Purple Rats
Italios wrote:you literally just said that legalizing sex work decreases sex trafficking, i'm saying that's a false narrative that's used to defend a position that actually sees more men, women and children involved in sexual slavery


I did not say that TRAFFICKING would be decreased. My point was that it would be more safe for people who work in industry voluntarily (as sex workers). As there would be regulations. I do understand trafficking problems, that's why I said also that it's difficult topic, not that "we should all legalize it".

But I re-read by post, and yes, I understand where the misunderstanding came. My mistake, with phrasing, as I did not count trafficking from other countries first.