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Would you support a Chinese-Style lockdown in your country to contain the Coronavirus?

Yes
157
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No
125
38%
Unsure
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Total votes : 328

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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:19 am

Fahran wrote:Which is why we need both patriotism and nationalism in the absence of a monarch.

Nakena wrote:As what would you define a country then? Like a place where you are by tradition, culture and other ways being connected to your kith and kin, your folk?

Novus America wrote:[un]Truth pilled.

Cambrian Albany wrote:In what? I thought my nationalist credentials were clear?


The state is the people exercising (or declining to exercise) their power to govern the country. Nothing more than that. The state is no more to do with nationalism than business, church, court or army.

Nations are fake. Nations are formed from symbol. Symbol is of course important to man. See: Jung's Man and his Symbols. But Symbols do not a country make, symbols do not a people make. Symbols do not cohere men, only other men cohere men. Symbols can be interpreted many different ways. That's why you have some people around the world who burn American flag, and some people who wave it. Same way Communist flag for many means freedom, and it is on their national flag, and for others tyranny and it is illegal to burn it. Swastika we think is symbol of Nazis, but many other people do not think so.

Without symbol, no nation. But symbol doesn't mean anything, only what you tell people it does, and only what they will believe after you have lied to them enough. So symbol can mean anything. Symbol does mean anything. National flag and eagle is American symbol, but what did it mean to Armistead, Kemper and Garnett? Or what it means today, in complete opposite way, to Kaepernick? No, nations are fake. They are lies that people believe in to reach different truths.

The country is real. The country is the land, the fields, the rivers and the becks, the hills and the woods, the streets, the railway cuts, the beaches. The country is the stench of fertiliser, the salt that blows through into your nose and the boats lined up by the pier, the whipping wind on the moor, the lone lights of the car streaming down the roman road at night, the piss dripping in the back alley.

The country is the mud in which you first kicked a football, the stone bunker in the long gone bomber field, the streets, gardens, and parks where you first fell in love. The country is the war memorial and the plinth, the Norman church, the old homes. The country is the land which your ancestors forty generations removed put their sweat and blood into, the yards in which the women were buried after they had given birth, the fields in which men slaughtered one another. You are one tiny atom of the life of your country, and if you weren't, you would not be of that country, you would be an alien, or a guest. You are a fleeting part of the heritage of your country, which connects you to all the other fleeting parts to make an emergent mass, greater, stronger, more meaningful than the sum of your parts.

That is the only thing that is real. We can touch it. It made us. It shaped and formed our demands, desires, dreams. The country is the individuals greater connection to their community, to their history, to their future. It is not symbol, because it is real, because it can be touched, felt, smelt. It can be fought for, died for, worked for. The country is real.

Nations are fake. Death to nations. Long live the country.
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There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
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I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:22 am

Italios wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:""""gender critical"""""""
there aren't enough scare quotes in the world tbh

literally just put me on your foe list please.

i already did actually, morbid curiosity always ruins me ;~;
you seem to take my shitposting at face value.

hi pot, i'm kettle
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:23 am

Foe lists are fake and lame, if you think someone is stupid then you should say so, within the boundaries of the sites "rules" ( L O L )
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Ex-Nation

Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:25 am

Instead of arguing, settle your disputes like men (read: Numales): by seeing who can unhinge their jaw the most in a group photo.
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:25 am

"omg my wifes boyfriend bought me a Australian Book Site premium account!" :O"
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:29 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Instead of arguing, settle your disputes like men (read: Numales): by seeing who can unhinge their jaw the most in a group photo.

this is species-ist, agnathans have an unfair advantage because they do not have jaws
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Postby Italios » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:literally just put me on your foe list please.

i already did actually, morbid curiosity always ruins me ;~;
you seem to take my shitposting at face value.

hi pot, i'm kettle

it's actually quite amazing how you conveniently crop out my addressing your inability to give a real response to the sex work issue. guess your morbid curiosity prevents you from typing out a response longer than "ur wrong lol"

this is sad, because proliferating those lies about sex work has real repercussions for women, but you can't own up to them.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote: another good excuse to enslave TEM


Whoa whoa where the hell did this come from? I'm the good guy here. There are no good reasons to persecute me.


>I'm the good guy here.

The D&D alignment test says otherwise, Anon. :^)))))
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:"omg my wifes boyfriend bought me a Australian Book Site premium account!" :O"

congratulations questers, i'm glad she's talking to you again :^)))
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:31 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Stop.

Image
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:31 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Implying they're not, to be truly consistent, linked.

I mean, I agree, but Hakons is a capitalist, so I was pointing that out.


I think Hakons prefers distributism.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:36 am

Xuloqoia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Whoa whoa where the hell did this come from? I'm the good guy here. There are no good reasons to persecute me.


>I'm the good guy here.

The D&D alignment test says otherwise, Anon. :^)))))


That was a rigged test! DELET THIS

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:37 am

If you use Spotify you're a disgusting degenerate. Real Chads use CDs or cassettes.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:38 am

The East Marches II wrote:If you use Spotify you're a disgusting degenerate. Real Chads use CDs or cassettes.

Real chads use phonograph cylinders, post-1900 audio equipment is for simps and betas
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:40 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Fahran wrote:Which is why we need both patriotism and nationalism in the absence of a monarch.

Nakena wrote:As what would you define a country then? Like a place where you are by tradition, culture and other ways being connected to your kith and kin, your folk?

Novus America wrote:[un]Truth pilled.

Cambrian Albany wrote:In what? I thought my nationalist credentials were clear?


The state is the people exercising (or declining to exercise) their power to govern the country. Nothing more than that. The state is no more to do with nationalism than business, church, court or army.

Nations are fake. Nations are formed from symbol. Symbol is of course important to man. See: Jung's Man and his Symbols. But Symbols do not a country make, symbols do not a people make. Symbols do not cohere men, only other men cohere men. Symbols can be interpreted many different ways. That's why you have some people around the world who burn American flag, and some people who wave it. Same way Communist flag for many means freedom, and it is on their national flag, and for others tyranny and it is illegal to burn it. Swastika we think is symbol of Nazis, but many other people do not think so.

Without symbol, no nation. But symbol doesn't mean anything, only what you tell people it does, and only what they will believe after you have lied to them enough. So symbol can mean anything. Symbol does mean anything. National flag and eagle is American symbol, but what did it mean to Armistead, Kemper and Garnett? Or what it means today, in complete opposite way, to Kaepernick? No, nations are fake. They are lies that people believe in to reach different truths.

The country is real. The country is the land, the fields, the rivers and the becks, the hills and the woods, the streets, the railway cuts, the beaches. The country is the stench of fertiliser, the salt that blows through into your nose and the boats lined up by the pier, the whipping wind on the moor, the lone lights of the car streaming down the roman road at night, the piss dripping in the back alley.

The country is the mud in which you first kicked a football, the stone bunker in the long gone bomber field, the streets, gardens, and parks where you first fell in love. The country is the war memorial and the plinth, the Norman church, the old homes. The country is the land which your ancestors forty generations removed put their sweat and blood into, the yards in which the women were buried after they had given birth, the fields in which men slaughtered one another. You are one tiny atom of the life of your country, and if you weren't, you would not be of that country, you would be an alien, or a guest. You are a fleeting part of the heritage of your country, which connects you to all the other fleeting parts to make an emergent mass, greater, stronger, more meaningful than the sum of your parts.

That is the only thing that is real. We can touch it. It made us. It shaped and formed our demands, desires, dreams. The country is the individuals greater connection to their community, to their history, to their future. It is not symbol, because it is real, because it can be touched, felt, smelt. It can be fought for, died for, worked for. The country is real.

Nations are fake. Death to nations. Long live the country.


And where we draw the borders are fake. Where do you draw the line?

And living in the same geographical area alone does not always create a common identity. The literal point of nationalism was to create the common identity that the “country” alone was failing to do!

If I build a Wahhabi Mosque in middle of the UK I am now part of the “country”. It is building built on the land. Does that make me British though?

“The country is the war memorial and the plinth” which are nationalist symbols. Nationalism usually involves the building of physical symbols.

The three ideas, country, nation and state are different yes. But not mutually exclusive and can be complementary.

You problem is actually ascribing to nationalism while claiming to reject it. The physical things built by a nation are part of the national identity.
And your assumption that just because ideas are abstract they are “fake” and should “die”.

Anyways why say long live the country when most the things you mention are not even alive? Buildings, railroad tracks and roads are not alive, they never lived. They are things we build for purposes. Things that change too.
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Postby Italios » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:41 am

The East Marches II wrote:If you use Spotify you're a disgusting degenerate. Real Chads use CDs or cassettes.

shaking and crying rn, why would you insult the best music service like this? apple music costs a lot more and soundcloud is a cesspool that no one wants to play premium for. at least we aren't contributing to the needless overuse of plastic though
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am

Italios wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:If you use Spotify you're a disgusting degenerate. Real Chads use CDs or cassettes.

shaking and crying rn, why would you insult the best music service like this? apple music costs a lot more and soundcloud is a cesspool that no one wants to play premium for. at least we aren't contributing to the needless overuse of plastic though

youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:43 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Italios wrote:shaking and crying rn, why would you insult the best music service like this? apple music costs a lot more and soundcloud is a cesspool that no one wants to play premium for. at least we aren't contributing to the needless overuse of plastic though

youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify

imagine being this much of a normie smdh
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:43 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Italios wrote:shaking and crying rn, why would you insult the best music service like this? apple music costs a lot more and soundcloud is a cesspool that no one wants to play premium for. at least we aren't contributing to the needless overuse of plastic though

youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify

>not just looking up music videos on regular youtube
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:43 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify

>not just looking up music videos on regular youtube

>not just using youtube-dl and mplayer
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Postby Italios » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:44 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Italios wrote:shaking and crying rn, why would you insult the best music service like this? apple music costs a lot more and soundcloud is a cesspool that no one wants to play premium for. at least we aren't contributing to the needless overuse of plastic though

youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify

i've never heard of an actual "person" who willingly gives youtube their money. are you a paid shill?
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:44 am

Novus America wrote:And where we draw the borders are fake. Where do you draw the line?

And living in the same geographical area alone does not always create a common identity. The literal point of nationalism was to create the common identity that the “country” alone was failing to do!

If I build a Wahhabi Mosque in middle of the UK I am now part of the “country”. It is building built on the land. Does that make me British though?
all of this is intuitive and doesn't need to be written down or delineated, it's just apparent to 95% of people and that's enough.

Novus America wrote:“The country is the war memorial and the plinth” which are nationalist symbols. Nationalism usually involves the building of physical symbols.

The three ideas, country, nation and state are different yes. But not mutually exclusive and can be complementary.

You problem is actually ascribing to nationalism while claiming to reject it. The physical things built by a nation are part of the national identity.
And your assumption that just because ideas are abstract they are “fake” and should “die”.

Anyways why say long live the country when most the things you mention are not even alive? Buildings, railroad tracks and roads are not alive, they never lived. They are things we build for purposes. Things that change too.
Nationalism is fake because it's not organic. It's a top down instruction telling people to believe things.
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:45 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>not just looking up music videos on regular youtube

>not just using youtube-dl and mplayer

I need to up my yar-har fiddle dee dee credibility
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:46 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>not just using youtube-dl and mplayer

I need to up my yar-har fiddle dee dee credibility

whoopsy daisy, looks like you had a wee bit of a stroke back there
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:46 am

Italios wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:youtube music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify

i've never heard of an actual "person" who willingly gives youtube their money. are you a paid shill?
youtube music is better than spotify because it includes all the non "music" that exists from private uploads on youtube as opposed to spotify which is basically what you find in a CD department but on an app.

honestly millions and millions of people willingly give apple their money, I dont see a difference between apple and youtube (and amazon for that matter.)
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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