Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[The South Falls]

Yes in fact we were, the British Isles.
If Britain had fallen than taking back Europe would've been infinitely more difficult.

And you think none of the Axis powers would've welcomed allies in the anti-bolshevik crusade?

I don't think aiding Nazis would be better than aiding communists.

[Diopolis]

Europe and employ nuclear weapons

Surley less people would have died compared to the untold millions that would be killed by communists in the future

Europe was under the control of the Nazis at the time remember? We'd have to first allow the Soviets to completely take continental Europe from the Nazis and then reenact operation Overlord against a much more powerful enemy who wasn't distracted in the east.

Who said we were declaring war against the Nazis? An American offensive out of Finland or Romania could be very distracting to Soviet forces.

[Joohan]

Who with?

Firms similar to Goldman Sachs/Credit Suisse/Morgan Stanley/UBS/JPMorgan

Frickin elitist globalist reptilian.... * mutters in alex jones *...

[Diopolis]

And you think none of the Axis powers would've welcomed allies in the anti-bolshevik crusade?

I don't think aiding Nazis would be better than aiding communists.

Communism Delendum Est.

[The South Falls]

Europe was under the control of the Nazis at the time remember? We'd have to first allow the Soviets to completely take continental Europe from the Nazis and then reenact operation Overlord against a much more powerful enemy who wasn't distracted in the east.

Who said we were declaring war against the Nazis? An American offensive out of Finland or Romania could be very distracting to Soviet forces.

We'd have to transport millions of troops, under the Soviet nose, to a position still being contested by Nazis in the case of Romania, or an area to which defense could be quickly directed in Finland. Any troops in Leningrad and/or Moscow could be thrown against us in the case of Finland. And what would we get out of this? Bodies? Possible brutal defeat?

[Genivaria]

Yes in fact we were, the British Isles.
If Britain had fallen than taking back Europe would've been infinitely more difficult.

And you think none of the Axis powers would've welcomed allies in the anti-bolshevik crusade?

I can see perhaps Fascist Spain or Portugal being sympathetic to that angle and allowing us a point of entry to Europe, but the Axis were explicitly not at war just to fight communism, but to establish Lebensraum.
There's zero compatibility between allied forces and Nazi forces, the Italians maybe but we'd have to basically take over their command structure for them to be useful.

[Joohan]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

[Genivaria]

Europe was under the control of the Nazis at the time remember? We'd have to first allow the Soviets to completely take continental Europe from the Nazis and then reenact operation Overlord against a much more powerful enemy who wasn't distracted in the east.

Who said we were declaring war against the Nazis? An American offensive out of Finland or Romania could be very distracting to Soviet forces.

We better be at some point.

[Genivaria]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

While this sounds wonderful I wonder how stable the US would be from the sheer level of conscription would be needed.

[Diopolis]

Who said we were declaring war against the Nazis? An American offensive out of Finland or Romania could be very distracting to Soviet forces.

We better be at some point.

Yet it's fine to not go to war with communism?

[Salus Maior]

National Focus choosen: America First

Hurr-durr.

Americans who are not America First are suspect. If you aren't loyal to America, then who are you loyal to?

God.

[Diopolis]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

While this sounds wonderful I wonder how stable the US would be from the sheer level of conscription would be needed.

MASS MOBILIZATION.

[Totally Not OEP]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

No U.S. forces in is probably decisive for the course of the conflict, if you're including Lend Lease, it's fatal.

[Joohan]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

While this sounds wonderful I wonder how stable the US would be from the sheer level of conscription would be needed.

" We need only kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down. " - some guy who was probably right...

[Totally Not OEP]

No, we shouldn't. Really we shouldn't have been involved in passive-aggressive anti-japanese operations to drag us into the rest of the war.
But Communism Delendum Est. When the tide of war inevitably went against Germany we should have declared war on the soviet union.

Japan was a direct threat to our interests in the Pacific.
And commuting horrible atrocities against a friendly government.
And we had no reason to be supplying their war against China.

Remember Japan is why the communists won in China.

The Communists won in China because the KMT failed. Japan provided a check on the USSR in the Pacific and was our main trading partner in the region anyway.

[Joohan]

While this sounds wonderful I wonder how stable the US would be from the sheer level of conscription would be needed.

MASS MOBILIZATION.

SCRAPING THE BARREL

[Joohan]

Why not just stay out of the war until 1944 and attack everyone? Japan still would have lost most of it's professional armies fighting in China. Germany would still be recruiting 16 year olds to fight on the Eastern front ( and maybe in Africa too if the Allies didn't drive out Rommel ). The Soviet Union would still be throwing 3rd echelon level division against the Wehrmacht meat grinder. Italy... hehe... Italy would still be Italy.

At this point, the Axis and the Soviets are way to committed to stop fighting each other - so it's pretty much a guarantee that they won't unite against us. We join the war at a point were all the bad guys are on their last limb and we're farm fresh with the world's biggest industry by leagues, a massive healthy population, and the are on the cusp of atomic weapons.

Scott Pilgram America vs the world. America Rules the waves!

No U.S. forces in is probably decisive for the course of the conflict, if you're including Lend Lease, it's fatal.

I agree that the Axis would win eventually, but I think the Soviets and Chinese could have held out till1944. In my hypothetical, we would maintain the lend lease just to keep the war going and bleed them both dry.

[Totally Not OEP]

No U.S. forces in is probably decisive for the course of the conflict, if you're including Lend Lease, it's fatal.

I agree that the Axis would win eventually, but I think the Soviets and Chinese could have held out till1944. In my hypothetical, we would maintain the lend lease just to keep the war going and bleed them both dry.

So the U.S. keeps supplying Lend Lease but doesn't directly send forces? What stance on Japan?

[Joohan]

I agree that the Axis would win eventually, but I think the Soviets and Chinese could have held out till1944. In my hypothetical, we would maintain the lend lease just to keep the war going and bleed them both dry.

So the U.S. keeps supplying Lend Lease but doesn't directly send forces? What stance on Japan?

We'd have to not piss them off and keep selling them oil. Just to turn the heat up on them though, I would say we probably jack up the prices. No reason to attack us, but they aren't just getting oceans of oil like they had been before.

Come our entry into the war, we turn the table and surprise attack them!

[Totally Not OEP]

So the U.S. keeps supplying Lend Lease but doesn't directly send forces? What stance on Japan?

We'd have to not piss them off and keep selling them oil. Just to turn the heat up on them though, I would say we probably jack up the prices. No reason to attack us, but they aren't just getting oceans of oil like they had been before.

Come our entry into the war, we turn the table and surprise attack them!

Frees the IJA up to attack the Soviet Far East, cutting off that supply of oil while without U.S. logistical support the Persian Route is non-viable. Entirely likely the USSR collapses in 1942 or 1943, with just Britain barely left in the game by 1944.

[Diopolis]

No U.S. forces in is probably decisive for the course of the conflict, if you're including Lend Lease, it's fatal.

I agree that the Axis would win eventually, but I think the Soviets and Chinese could have held out till1944. In my hypothetical, we would maintain the lend lease just to keep the war going and bleed them both dry.

Bah, humbug. Anyone who wants US equipment needs to pay full price- communists not eligible for purchase.

[Joohan]

We'd have to not piss them off and keep selling them oil. Just to turn the heat up on them though, I would say we probably jack up the prices. No reason to attack us, but they aren't just getting oceans of oil like they had been before.

Come our entry into the war, we turn the table and surprise attack them!

Frees the IJA up to attack the Soviet Far East, cutting off that supply of oil while without U.S. logistical support the Persian Route is non-viable. Entirely likely the USSR collapses in 1942 or 1943, with just Britain barely left in the game by 1944.

I don't think Japan would do that. The majority of the IJA was already bogged down fighting a forever war in China, with other rather large contingents fighting in Southeast Asia. Adding the Soviet Far East Army would have been another huge undertaking for the Japs, one which I doubt they would have pursued. This, even without the US involvement.

[Joohan]

I agree that the Axis would win eventually, but I think the Soviets and Chinese could have held out till1944. In my hypothetical, we would maintain the lend lease just to keep the war going and bleed them both dry.

Bah, humbug. Anyone who wants US equipment needs to pay full price- communists not eligible for purchase.

Consider it a long term investment, intended for future hostile take over. Proper capitalist ethics taken to the world stage. * Ayn rand sheds a single tear *

[Novus America]

Japan was a direct threat to our interests in the Pacific.
And commuting horrible atrocities against a friendly government.
And we had no reason to be supplying their war against China.

Remember Japan is why the communists won in China.

The Communists won in China because the KMT failed. Japan provided a check on the USSR in the Pacific and was our main trading partner in the region anyway.

The KMT failed because the Japanese destroyed it.
The KMT was winning before the Japanese invasion which was completely unjustified and so disgusting even the Nazis found it shocking.

Japan started the conflict with us and their desire to dominate the West Pacific meant they were going to go after the Philippines and Guam.

Just because they bough oil does not mean they were our friend.

Besides China was buying our stuff too, until Japan cut off our trade with China.

[Novus America]

Frees the IJA up to attack the Soviet Far East, cutting off that supply of oil while without U.S. logistical support the Persian Route is non-viable. Entirely likely the USSR collapses in 1942 or 1943, with just Britain barely left in the game by 1944.

I don't think Japan would do that. The majority of the IJA was already bogged down fighting a forever war in China, with other rather large contingents fighting in Southeast Asia. Adding the Soviet Far East Army would have been another huge undertaking for the Japs, one which I doubt they would have pursued. This, even without the US involvement.

Japan’s deserved what it got for its crimes in China.