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Would you support a Chinese-Style lockdown in your country to contain the Coronavirus?

Yes
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No
125
38%
Unsure
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Total votes : 328

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 pm

Italios wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Porn addiction is a real thing, bud.

this is a saiwania burner account isn't it?


I'm not nearly racist enough for that to be a suspicion.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Diahon
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Postby Diahon » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 pm

Albrenia wrote:It's kind of touching to see Communists and Catholics uniting over their distaste of porn.


catholics: "ah, pudenda!"

commies: "not that work!"

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:

Image questionable.

Don't worry, the Internet noticed that too, and incredibly quickly.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:Drug addiction can't really be compared to porn consumption tbh except for rich people who do blow or E because they are too boring sober


Porn addiction is a real thing, bud.

In so far as wanting to watch porn is a real thing.
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Nap the Magnificent
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:Drug addiction can't really be compared to porn consumption tbh except for rich people who do blow or E because they are too boring sober


Porn addiction is a real thing, bud.
The causes as to why people get into drugs are not really comparable to why most people jerk off lol
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:56 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Porn addiction is a real thing, bud.
The causes as to why people get into drugs are not really comparable to why most people jerk off lol


Sometimes it is.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Nap the Magnificent
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:56 pm

Pimps, pushers, and pervs are to be shot (after a trial of course)
Drug addicts and prostitutes are to be helped out and cared for
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:56 pm

Seriously:

While I don't like porn as much as the next socially conservative person, scrubbing it out of society is going to be difficult. Anyway porn is part of a broader human problem which is: the spread of imagery. Humans are emergent. We know a lot about their biological processes, and we know a bit about their social processes, and then less about their psychological processes, but humanity collected is more than the sum of those three parts and we haven't even got started with thinking about a unified theory of humanity. So, while we think about issues like porn that may affect humans socially and psychologically (even biologically) we just let it go about its own business and doing the damage it does (or doesn't do).

Most of the effect of pornography on people is focused around young men and most of the described effects are generally guesswork. But if we go back to the idea of imagery, for most of its existence mankind did not have to deal with imagery the way it does now. We now have full audiovisual picture of almost anything on demand. We can't be sure what affect that has on us personally and socially, which is dangerous. If you use porn you will notice that it trends towards the fantastical. Just by cursory glance at the videos available on just normie porn sites (without going into any fetish stuff) you will see what I mean.

Technology has bridged the gap between the dream and reality, in this respect and others. The problem is that sex and fantasy isn't the same thing as say, the Neverending Story or Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. Those things bring the imagery of fantasy to life, in the same way porn brings the imagery of sexual fantasy to life, but sexual fantasy, unless you're incredibly unsuccessful, eventually is brought to life, unlike the Neverending Story, Lord of the Rings, or Star Wars. Some people might describe this as something for fully actualised humans — the very content of dreams presented in full, realistic audiopicture. It's only getting more intense: virtual reality porn is becoming a thing.

This something we have to socially and personally confront before technology runs wild with the possibilities. Increasingly people start to see pornography as something liberating because they connect fantasy and personality. A person's sexual dreams and fantasies become part of their identity, and disconnecting them from that fantasy is like an attack on their identity. This speaks both to how important sexuality and sex is to humans and also how important identity is, but we have to seriously reverse this trend (imo) before it gets any stronger simply because if we don't it's going to cause a shit load of unforeseen changes that are probably going to be very negative.
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:57 pm

This is why only the written word should be depicted
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Postby Diahon » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:57 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:Pimps, pushers, and pervs are to be shot (after a trial of course)
Drug addicts and prostitutes are to be helped out and cared for


good to know there are people who want me dead

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Postby Albrenia » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:58 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:This is why only the written word should be depicted


Says the person who just changed their flag to a picture of a person. :p

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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Diahon wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:Pimps, pushers, and pervs are to be shot (after a trial of course)
Drug addicts and prostitutes are to be helped out and cared for


good to know there are people who want me dead

No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Porn addiction is a real thing, bud.

In so far as wanting to watch porn is a real thing.


As if an asexual would know anything about that.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:00 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:
Diahon wrote:
good to know there are people who want me dead

No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason

That's a sweet sentiment.
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Diahon
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Postby Diahon » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:00 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:
Diahon wrote:
good to know there are people who want me dead

No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason


well, the thing is, i'm a pervert, not a fucking criminal

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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:00 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:This is why only the written word should be depicted


Says the person who just changed their flag to a picture of a person. :p

The Pusher trilogy is good don't hate on the balding Serbian drug trafficker Milo
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 pm

Sex is a basic part of human actualisation, like all the other pleasurable things in life you should be able to enjoy it. But like alcohol, steak, and cocaine, there's also a component that needs to be regulated.

People are scared of 'degeneracy' (and often those people are the most degenerate, sorry to use the trope but it's true), but pre-generate humans didn't have sex like we have it now. It was mostly just for procreation, probably. Advances in sex are like advances in technology because sexuality is a social technology, so if you want to reverse those you are reversing the human condition and also it's probably just not possible. The cat's out of the bag now.
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I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Nap the Magnificent
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 pm

Diahon wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason


well, the thing is, i'm a pervert, not a fucking criminal

You and I might be operating on different boundaries as to what makes someone a pervert
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Postby Diahon » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 pm

Shillistan wrote:What should I do as someone who wants to become Protestant like the rest of my family but often feel I lack the faith to be theistic?


hold it

honestly, you shouldn't be compelled if you don't feel like it

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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Nap the Magnificent wrote:No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason

That's a sweet sentiment.

It really is
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Shillistan wrote:What should I do as someone who wants to become Protestant like the rest of my family but often feel I lack the faith to be theistic?

Don't force yourself to believe in something if it's not something you can believe in. It's not worth it.
Also, why is this here and not the CDT?
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Epstein was a pervert.

Diahon is probably just a dude who likes porn sites that don't appear on google.
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:03 pm

Shillistan wrote:What should I do as someone who wants to become Protestant like the rest of my family but often feel I lack the faith to be theistic?


Accept that you don't believe in any deities. It's not something you can force and you'll just become bitter and disappointed with the religion if you try and force it.

Things can always change on that front too. There's a number of formerly atheist but now religious people on NSG, representing everything from Christians to Muslims to pagans.
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Nap the Magnificent
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Postby Nap the Magnificent » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:03 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:In so far as wanting to watch porn is a real thing.


As if an asexual would know anything about that.

Th Austro-Hungarians were total losers and Ferdinand had it coming
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:03 pm

Nap the Magnificent wrote:
Diahon wrote:
good to know there are people who want me dead

No matter where you go in the world, there will always be at least one person that would want you dead for some reason


Know where I can find one such person?
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