Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

*snip*

That's a bit fucking graphic, don't you think?

Honestly, I left out the more obscene bits.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Assuming that American politics would not be racially biased or charged if white people become a minority is peak weak liberal thought and assumes that it is only white people that have been corrupted by America's Great Sin.

[Salus Maior]

That's a bit fucking graphic, don't you think?

Honestly, I left out the more obscene bits.

And the first thing you wrote didn't?

[Nap the Magnificent]

Honestly, I left out the more obscene bits.

And the first thing you wrote didn't?

No, because sometimes the babies weren't dead when they did that.

[Cambrian Albany]

I don't think adding another massive ethnic block to the US's already fucked demographics would've been a good idea.

If we can make whites a minority maybe we could actually achieve racially unbiased governance.

Lol, the idea that other ethnic minorities are less racist is actually ridiculous. Other ethnic minorities are usually far more racially conscious than your average quasi-liberal white person. And as has been demonstrated when a previously white dominated society is overturned normally the formerly oppressed become oppressors. Not that that is unjustified: if I were in such a position I'd probably take up my machete and go round looting and stuff out of vengeance. But I'm in the other camp.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

It would be interesting.

Poor Puerto Rico would be deprived its destiny of becoming the 51st state.

Depends on how fast it happens. Keep in mind we were only at 48 by the conclusion of WW2.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Even so, I doubt a fully annexed Japan would beat Alaska and Hawaii to statehood. The occupation policy would also be interesting, since all things being considered the Japanese were fairly cooperative with the Americans in the Home Islands. There might be a major rebellion in a timeline where Japan is annexed.

[Cisairse]

Assuming that American politics would not be racially biased or charged if white people become a minority is peak weak liberal thought and assumes that it is only white people that have been corrupted by America's Great Sin.

Well it's not like becoming an ethnostate is a viable option.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

And the first thing you wrote didn't?

No, because sometimes the babies weren't dead when they did that.

Yeah, that and the more disturbing things Unit 731 got up to in Manchuria.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Assuming that American politics would not be racially biased or charged if white people become a minority is peak weak liberal thought and assumes that it is only white people that have been corrupted by America's Great Sin.

Well it's not like becoming an ethnostate is a viable option.

I never said it was but acting like just making white people a minority will magically make racism disappear is hilariously and dangerously naive. The Soul of America is tainted by the legacy of American racism which is among the more unique manifestations of it in the world and taints all groups with its evil. It will take all groups working towards redemption in order to cast it out, not merely replacing one racially charged system in for another.

[Italios]

Assuming that American politics would not be racially biased or charged if white people become a minority is peak weak liberal thought and assumes that it is only white people that have been corrupted by America's Great Sin.

no. read Settlers by J Sakai.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Assuming that American politics would not be racially biased or charged if white people become a minority is peak weak liberal thought and assumes that it is only white people that have been corrupted by America's Great Sin.

no. read Settlers by J Sakai.

I have and he's retarded.

[Nap the Magnificent]

The problem with Third Worldists is they took the ideas of Lenin in relation to imperialism and bastardized it to the point where it's ineffectual at building alliances and hilariously retarded. Under the aegis of Third Worldists the working classes in the developed world have literally no reason to support revolution despite Lenin pointing out that in order for the revolution to be complete it would inevitably need the working class in the developed world to revolt - the developing world can only set up the stage, it's the developed world's place to finish the job. This is why Lenin put such an emphasis on creating revolutions in Germany, France, and the UK - he thought the revolution would begin in a developing country but would live or die based upon the willingness of the working classes in the developing world revolting or not. Denying them the label as proletariat is hilarious, and not what Lenin intended, because it encourages them to never revolt because how can they develop class consciousness when you're continuously trying to kick them out of your club? Relative to other workers in the world, even black and native Americans are part of a labor aristocracy and are not a "true" proletariat so at that point you're just arguing in respects to group A relative to group B and choosing ones own preferred demarcation line to fit ones myopic world view. Recognizing complexity in matters and interactions and histories between different cultural groups is really hard for Third Worldists, so I'm not particularly surprised that rag of a book was recommended.

[Nap the Magnificent]

I mean I could, and probably with quite a lot of justification, point out that black Americans are part of the labor aristocracy at the expense of native Americans who have suffered the most because of America's Great Sin. They as well participated in the ethnic cleansing of various tribes and peoples, especially during the post-Civil War frontier period. It makes one Big Brain think when reading the accounts of black American cavalrymen or settlers talking about how cool it is to kill "red nigger savages" and plop a farm on their land.

[Albrenia]

Of course people who aren't white can be racist. Why couldn't they?

[Cambrian Albany]

Of course people who aren't white can be racist. Why couldn't they?

Then you must understand the notion that white people rightfully fear being oppressed in a society in which they exist but do not dominate? Deserved or not, why would they take that chance?

[United Muscovite Nations]

There has to be a fine line between recognizing that white americans possess a unique class position vis a vis minority communities and turning this recognition into an adversarial position. The former will allow the restructuring of racial society and the harmony of race relations while the latter will result in a failure of the revolution at best and the genocide of minorities at worst.

[Albrenia]

Of course people who aren't white can be racist. Why couldn't they?

Then you must understand the notion that white people rightfully fear being oppressed in a society in which they exist but do not dominate? Deserved or not, why would they take that chance?

I understand the fear, but it does not justify becoming oppressive to others. We need to build a society where that oppression is not tolerated, not by anybody or upon anyone.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Only small brain and cucked thought makes one think it's impossible for people of different skin tones to live in the same polity as one another despite that being the norm of almost every empire, particularly in the Mediterranean Basin (ie the foundations of Western civilization) since the first ones. I really enjoy how the Holy Roman Emperors chose Saint Maurice as the patron saint of the empire, so there used to be all of these depictions of him from the Early to Late Middle Ages of him, and him being portrayed as quite a black dude without people batting an eyelash because they weren't super retarded. I'll be frank, I think the average person in the Middle Ages was less of a piece of shit and less retarded than the average cucked Renaissance and Early Modern Person period person. This is proven that they were taller than them, to assert their dominance over the virgin "muh Dark Ages" types.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Also pointing out that America's Great Sin corrupts all isn't negating that white supremacist thought is the gasoline in the engine lol. Pointing out that it has corrupted all groups in America isn't saying that it wasn't white Americans who opened up that particular Pandora's Box.

[Cisairse]

Only small brain and cucked thought makes one think it's impossible for people of different skin tones to live in the same polity as one another despite that being the norm of almost every empire, particularly in the Mediterranean Basin (ie the foundations of Western civilization) since the first ones. I really enjoy how the Holy Roman Emperors chose Saint Maurice as the patron saint of the empire, so there used to be all of these depictions of him from the Early to Late Middle Ages of him, and him being portrayed as quite a black dude without people batting an eyelash because they weren't super retarded. I'll be frank, I think the average person in the Middle Ages was less of a piece of shit and less retarded than the average cucked Renaissance and Early Modern Person period person. This is proven that they were taller than them, to assert their dominance over the virgin "muh Dark Ages" types.

Great Awakening people were smoothbrains

[Cambrian Albany]

Then you must understand the notion that white people rightfully fear being oppressed in a society in which they exist but do not dominate? Deserved or not, why would they take that chance?

I understand the fear, but it does not justify becoming oppressive to others. We need to build a society where that oppression is not tolerated, not by anybody or upon anyone.

Oppression is perpetual. Humans will always oppress each other in some way because we'll always find ways of establishing some kind of hierarchy over one another. Whether its because you're ugly, fat, Jewish, black, female or whatever. Humans will always create a group of us and them.

The sooner people just learn to accept that the better and stop wasting their time on utopian ideals.

[Italios]

I understand the fear, but it does not justify becoming oppressive to others. We need to build a society where that oppression is not tolerated, not by anybody or upon anyone.

Oppression is perpetual. Humans will always oppress each other in some way because we'll always find ways of establishing some kind of hierarchy over one another. Whether its because you're ugly, fat, Jewish, black, female or whatever. Humans will always create a group of us and them.

The sooner people just learn to accept that the better and stop wasting their time on utopian ideals.

so when we all just nomadic hunter-gatherers who exactly was the mysterious oppressor and what group were they oppressing?

[Nap the Magnificent]

Striving to end racism isn't a utopian ideal, especially when you consider modern racism was born out of ideas that are relatively recent. It's also against Christian ethics and the position of numerous churches, including *organizes papers* the Catholic Church.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Also you can't argue that nothing should be done, because it's not as if the central tenet of Christ's message was "Don't do anything until I come back guys", instead we are called upon to actively do our best to change the world for the better however big or small, regardless of setbacks or the impossibility of creating perfection without God.

I imagine a lot of early Christians found it a tall order to convince Romans, Greeks, and Celts to stop killing disabled children or just girl babies but they eventually were able to do so even if it took a long time.

Though this is kind of getting into theology so should probably go into the CDT lol.

[Cambrian Albany]

Oppression is perpetual. Humans will always oppress each other in some way because we'll always find ways of establishing some kind of hierarchy over one another. Whether its because you're ugly, fat, Jewish, black, female or whatever. Humans will always create a group of us and them.

The sooner people just learn to accept that the better and stop wasting their time on utopian ideals.

so when we all just nomadic hunter-gatherers who exactly was the mysterious oppressor and what group were they oppressing?

I'm sure that society organised itself in some hierarchical structure based on attributes such as the ability to hunt/fish and the like. Whilst there is ample evidence to suggest that the tribe mongs were provided for, they probably weren't held in high regard by their peers. Not to mention different gathering groups probably fought over hunting grounds and the one poor cunts that lost would be sent packing.