Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[United Muscovite Nations]

"its own territories"
Its colonial possessions, don't be dishonest.

That's what they're officially called. It's not dishonest to call them "territories" than it is to call Puerto Rico a "U.S territory".

Puerto Rico wasn't violently subjected to suppression of its independence through massacres.

[Nap the Magnificent]

We are all blood soaked hypocrites, to one extent or another.

....Not really. Unless you have a purely meaningless definition of what "blood soaked hypocrite" means. But I suppose something had to be posted so people can't get too reflective on their own character. That'd just be too uncomfortable.

A lot of the things we buy and benefit from come on the backs of slaves that are abused and killed by gangs, militias, corrupt governments the world over.

[Salus Maior]

That's what they're officially called. It's not dishonest to call them "territories" than it is to call Puerto Rico a "U.S territory".

Puerto Rico wasn't violently subjected to suppression of its independence through massacres.

That doesn't change the definition.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Puerto Rico wasn't violently subjected to suppression of its independence through massacres.

That doesn't change the definition.

It's dishonest to imply they were territories in the same way Puerto Rico or Alaska were territories.

[Cambrian Albany]

....Not really. Unless you have a purely meaningless definition of what "blood soaked hypocrite" means. But I suppose something had to be posted so people can't get too reflective on their own character. That'd just be too uncomfortable.

A lot of the things we buy and benefit from come on the backs of slaves that are abused and killed by gangs, militias, corrupt governments the world over.

Just the way of the world that.

[Salus Maior]

....Not really. Unless you have a purely meaningless definition of what "blood soaked hypocrite" means. But I suppose something had to be posted so people can't get too reflective on their own character. That'd just be too uncomfortable.

A lot of the things we buy and benefit from come on the backs of slaves that are abused and killed by gangs, militias, corrupt governments the world over.

Guilt doesn't translate that way. That would rest on those that made the deals to get those things in that manner in the first place, rather than the average person trying to provide for themselves.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Just because they are territories doesn't mean they aren't colonial possessions. This is like saying that the Thirteen Colonies weren't, well, colonies or that the Dominion of Canada wasn't a colonial possession of the British Empire.

[Audioslavia]

Imagine having delegates from the British & French Empires sitting in a tribunal passing judgement on another country for "crimes against peace."

Then they should have fought harder. Maybe then they would be at the tribunal passing judgement.

Or not held competitions for how many civilians each soldier could decapitate. Or not done any of the other terrible warcrimes they committed that made those of their enemies pale in comparison.

Winning a war is especially important when one's side has behaved like barbarians. Losing such a conflict means one's enemies have little cause to be merciful in their victory. Japan got off lightly, considering the circumstances. They got to keep their emperor, got to keep their country and were essentially returned to normalcy after less than 10 years of occupation.

All things being considered, the Allies were quite magnanimous in their treatment of Japan. Things could have been much, much worse.

[Salus Maior]

That doesn't change the definition.

It's dishonest to imply they were territories in the same way Puerto Rico or Alaska were territories.

I don't think she was implying that.

And a reminder that nearly every state was a territory beforehand.

[Nap the Magnificent]

A lot of the things we buy and benefit from come on the backs of slaves that are abused and killed by gangs, militias, corrupt governments the world over.

Guilt doesn't translate that way. That would rest on those that made the deals to get those things in that manner in the first place, rather than the average person trying to provide for themselves.

If you are not trying to buy as ethically as possible, then yes you are contributing to bloodshed and sin in the world.

[Salus Maior]

Just because they are territories doesn't mean they aren't colonial possessions. This is like saying that the Thirteen Colonies weren't, well, colonies or that the Dominion of Canada wasn't a colonial possession of the British Empire.

We're harping on semantics here.

Literally pointless.

[Nap the Magnificent]

I would say that Germany got of the luckiest, because they didn't suffer a widespread genocide despite having engaged in numerous genocidal campaigns in the course of WWII. All things considered, the Red Army was far more constrained than it could have been considering what the Soviet people went through.

[Salus Maior]

Guilt doesn't translate that way. That would rest on those that made the deals to get those things in that manner in the first place, rather than the average person trying to provide for themselves.

If you are not trying to buy as ethically as possible, then yes you are contributing to bloodshed and sin in the world.

I am. And overall that's difficult to do when you're broke and don't have a job, bud.

Just to remind you, that you're trying to make me out to be some kind of murderer by association because I called out TEM of all people for his realpolitik "might makes right" schtick.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Just because they are territories doesn't mean they aren't colonial possessions. This is like saying that the Thirteen Colonies weren't, well, colonies or that the Dominion of Canada wasn't a colonial possession of the British Empire.

We're harping on semantics here.

Literally pointless.

It's not really semantics when America has a bunch of cast off possessions in the Pacific that nobody gives a rats ass about but wants to pretend it wasn't a colonialist or imperial power - or rather remains as such.

[Nap the Magnificent]

If you are not trying to buy as ethically as possible, then yes you are contributing to bloodshed and sin in the world.

I am. And overall that's difficult to do when you're broke and don't have a job, bud.

Just to remind you, that you're trying to make me out to be some kind of murderer by association because I called out TEM of all people for his realpolitik "might makes right" schtick.

Being broke and not having a job is the same thing that a lot of gangsters and brutal soldiers use to justify their actions. I'm just reminding us all that very few of us do not have bloodstained hands and that we cannot ignore nor forget that.

[Salus Maior]

We're harping on semantics here.

Literally pointless.

It's not really semantics when America has a bunch of cast off possessions in the Pacific that nobody gives a rats ass about but wants to pretend it wasn't a colonialist or imperial power - or rather remains as such.

And none of those people are actually in this thread. You're arguing against imaginary people.

[Salus Maior]

I am. And overall that's difficult to do when you're broke and don't have a job, bud.

Just to remind you, that you're trying to make me out to be some kind of murderer by association because I called out TEM of all people for his realpolitik "might makes right" schtick.

Being broke and not having a job is the same thing that a lot of gangsters and brutal soldiers use to justify their actions. I'm just reminding us all that very few of us do not have bloodstained hands and that we cannot ignore nor forget that.

I'm a Catholic bud, I live chest-deep in guilt.

[Cambrian Albany]

If you are not trying to buy as ethically as possible, then yes you are contributing to bloodshed and sin in the world.

I am. And overall that's difficult to do when you're broke and don't have a job, bud.

Just to remind you, that you're trying to make me out to be some kind of murderer by association because I called out TEM of all people for his realpolitik "might makes right" schtick.

Might generally does make right -whether that's good or bad is something else. But it's infantile naivety to suggest that the world isn't generally divided into strong takers and weak losers.

[Audioslavia]

Then they should have fought harder. Maybe then they would be at the tribunal passing judgement.

Or not held competitions for how many civilians each soldier could decapitate. Or not done any of the other terrible warcrimes they committed that made those of their enemies pale in comparison.

Winning a war is especially important when one's side has behaved like barbarians. Losing such a conflict means one's enemies have little cause to be merciful in their victory. Japan got off lightly, considering the circumstances. They got to keep their emperor, got to keep their country and were essentially returned to normalcy after less than 10 years of occupation.

All things being considered, the Allies were quite magnanimous in their treatment of Japan. Things could have been much, much worse.

I really want to see the alternate universe where Japan becomes a U.S. state.

[Salus Maior]

I am. And overall that's difficult to do when you're broke and don't have a job, bud.

Just to remind you, that you're trying to make me out to be some kind of murderer by association because I called out TEM of all people for his realpolitik "might makes right" schtick.

Might generally does make right -whether that's good or bad is something else. But it's infantile naivety to suggest that the world isn't generally divided into strong takers and weak losers.

If you believe that you're not a Catholic.

[Salus Maior]

*snip*

That's a bit fucking graphic, don't you think?

[Audioslavia]

Or not held competitions for how many civilians each soldier could decapitate. Or not done any of the other terrible warcrimes they committed that made those of their enemies pale in comparison.

Winning a war is especially important when one's side has behaved like barbarians. Losing such a conflict means one's enemies have little cause to be merciful in their victory. Japan got off lightly, considering the circumstances. They got to keep their emperor, got to keep their country and were essentially returned to normalcy after less than 10 years of occupation.

All things being considered, the Allies were quite magnanimous in their treatment of Japan. Things could have been much, much worse.

I really want to see the alternate universe where Japan becomes a U.S. state.

I don't think adding another massive ethnic block to the US's already fucked demographics would've been a good idea.

[Audioslavia]

Or not held competitions for how many civilians each soldier could decapitate. Or not done any of the other terrible warcrimes they committed that made those of their enemies pale in comparison.

Winning a war is especially important when one's side has behaved like barbarians. Losing such a conflict means one's enemies have little cause to be merciful in their victory. Japan got off lightly, considering the circumstances. They got to keep their emperor, got to keep their country and were essentially returned to normalcy after less than 10 years of occupation.

All things being considered, the Allies were quite magnanimous in their treatment of Japan. Things could have been much, much worse.

I really want to see the alternate universe where Japan becomes a U.S. state.

It would be interesting.

Poor Puerto Rico would be deprived its destiny of becoming the 51st state.

[Cisairse]

I really want to see the alternate universe where Japan becomes a U.S. state.

I don't think adding another massive ethnic block to the US's already fucked demographics would've been a good idea.

If we can make whites a minority maybe we could actually achieve racially unbiased governance.

[Cisairse]

I really want to see the alternate universe where Japan becomes a U.S. state.

It would be interesting.

Poor Puerto Rico would be deprived its destiny of becoming the 51st state.

Depends on how fast it happens. Keep in mind we were only at 48 by the conclusion of WW2.