Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Northern Davincia]

Them's fighting words.

It's the truth. You are clannish and look out only for each other. Der Ewige New Yorker.

We tear each other apart quite often, it's only when outsiders speak ill of us that we band together.

[Mirial Magna]

It's the truth. You are clannish and look out only for each other. Der Ewige New Yorker.

We tear each other apart quite often, it's only when outsiders speak ill of us that we band together.

You may be a Yankee, but you'll always be my clanka.

[Genivaria]

According to Carl Schmitt, democracy diverges radically from liberalism and narrow constitutionalism, the two forces being intrinsically incompatible in the context of the Weimar Republic. In "The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy", he argues quite convincingly that no discernible difference exists between a parliamentary democracy and a dictatorship that represents the popular will. These assertions, expounded upon in later works, led him to becoming an enthusiastic Nazi. He wasn't the only legal scholar or political thinker to criticize constitutionalism and liberalism either. Hannah Arendt arguably offered a critique, summarized in her works "The Human Condition" and "On the Rise of Totalitarianism", from a more left-wing perspective. And, of course, our traditionalists may well object to the merits of both democracy and liberalism as intrinsic goods.

I always find it awkward when I have to just ignore the rampant anti semitism of a political writer to get through their writing.

I read one of Oswald Mosley's books and that's basically what happened.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

According to Carl Schmitt, democracy diverges radically from liberalism and narrow constitutionalism, the two forces being intrinsically incompatible in the context of the Weimar Republic. In "The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy", he argues quite convincingly that no discernible difference exists between a parliamentary democracy and a dictatorship that represents the popular will. These assertions, expounded upon in later works, led him to becoming an enthusiastic Nazi. He wasn't the only legal scholar or political thinker to criticize constitutionalism and liberalism either. Hannah Arendt arguably offered a critique, summarized in her works "The Human Condition" and "On the Rise of Totalitarianism", from a more left-wing perspective. And, of course, our traditionalists may well object to the merits of both democracy and liberalism as intrinsic goods.

I always find it awkward when I have to just ignore the rampant anti semitism of a political writer to get through their writing.

I read one of Oswald Mosley's books and that's basically what happened.

Mosley was one of the weirdest political figures of Interwar Britain.

The so-called "British nationalist" was pro-Irish separatism, pro-Gandhi, pro-Europe and ultimately ended up moving to Paris.

British Fascism was odd.

[Genivaria]

I always find it awkward when I have to just ignore the rampant anti semitism of a political writer to get through their writing.

I read one of Oswald Mosley's books and that's basically what happened.

Mosley was one of the weirdest political figures of Interwar Britain.

The so-called "British nationalist" was pro-Irish separatism, pro-Gandhi, pro-Europe and ultimately ended up moving to Paris.

British Fascism was odd.

Yeah pretty sure he supported the concept of a European Nation.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Mosley was one of the weirdest political figures of Interwar Britain.

The so-called "British nationalist" was pro-Irish separatism, pro-Gandhi, pro-Europe and ultimately ended up moving to Paris.

British Fascism was odd.

Yeah pretty sure he supported the concept of a European Nation.

Yeah, something about a single far-right European nation-state that would span the bulk of the continent.

Honestly, the guy was so internationalist in outlook that he made even the British Communists look more patriotic by comparison; and most of them were either stooges of Moscow or Trotskyists who wanted to abolish the Empire.

[Genivaria]

Yeah pretty sure he supported the concept of a European Nation.

Yeah, something about a single far-right European nation-state that would span the bulk of the continent.

Honestly, the guy was so internationalist in outlook that he made even the British Communists look more patriotic by comparison; and most of them were either stooges of Moscow or Trotskyists who wanted to abolish the Empire.

In all seriousness the British government should've supported Federation and closer ties to their dominions as well enfranchisement of loyal natives.

[Salus Maior]

We had our chance at a European-spanning Empire; it pretty much died with Charlemagne.

Muh Carolingian Renaissance. :'[

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Yeah, something about a single far-right European nation-state that would span the bulk of the continent.

Honestly, the guy was so internationalist in outlook that he made even the British Communists look more patriotic by comparison; and most of them were either stooges of Moscow or Trotskyists who wanted to abolish the Empire.

In all seriousness the British government should've supported Federation and closer ties to their dominions as well enfranchisement of loyal natives.

I agree with you completely.

Elitism and selfishness got in the way of transforming the British Empire from a happy accident into the greatest thing Western civilization had ever experienced since the fall of Rome.

That being said, while an Imperial Federation could have been achieved in a matter of months if there was the will and proper resolve of the British government to do so, enfranchisement was something that should have been done slowly, over the course of several decades. The disaster of modern African politics in particular is largely due to the British government having rushed enfranchisement in its colonies and playing dumb when cultures that were stuck in the stone age only a generation prior suddenly elected a bunch of dictators in their newly independent countries. 'One man, one vote' can quickly turn into 'One man, one vote, once' is proper precautions are not taken.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

We had our chance at a European-spanning Empire; it pretty much died with Charlemagne.

Muh Carolingian Renaissance. :'[

Napoleon made a good second attempt at it, but got a bit too arrogant and ended up botching things.

As chaotic as the French Revolution was, it did provide a short window of opportunity to achieve something truly majestic.

[Northern Davincia]

We tear each other apart quite often, it's only when outsiders speak ill of us that we band together.

You may be a Yankee, but you'll always be my clanka.

Clankas, we get the job done.

[Albennia]

Reminder that Imperial Federation was perfectly achievable. It was an incredibly powerful popular movement, the Federation of Australia only happened because of Imperial Federation. It was only "elitism and selfishness" that stopped Imperial Federation, as Imperium Romanum Sanctis correctly points out. Joseph Chamberlain made a horrible mistake working with the Conservatives.

[Genivaria]

Reminder that Imperial Federation was perfectly achievable. It was an incredibly powerful popular movement, the Federation of Australia only happened because of Imperial Federation. It was only "elitism and selfishness" that stopped Imperial Federation, as Imperium Romanum Sanctis correctly points out. Joseph Chamberlain made a horrible mistake working with the Conservatives.

I mean one of the greatest figures of anti-colonial nationalism Mahatma Gandhi was educated as a lawyer in the University of London and served in The Indian Ambulance Corps as well as a stretcher bearer.

This kinda guy should've been help up as an example by the British government to inspire loyalty to the empire but instead they harrassed him at every turn.

[Mirial Magna]

You may be a Yankee, but you'll always be my clanka.

Clankas, we get the job done.

roger roger

Reminder that Imperial Federation was perfectly achievable. It was an incredibly powerful popular movement, the Federation of Australia only happened because of Imperial Federation. It was only "elitism and selfishness" that stopped Imperial Federation, as Imperium Romanum Sanctis correctly points out. Joseph Chamberlain made a horrible mistake working with the Conservatives.

I mean one of the greatest figures of anti-colonial nationalism Mahatma Gandhi was educated as a lawyer in the University of London and served in The Indian Ambulance Corps as well as a stretcher bearer.

This kinda guy should've been help up as an example by the British government to inspire loyalty to the empire but instead they harrassed him at every turn.

But who shot first? Did the British only start harassing Gandhi after he started protesting their rule, or did their harassment inspire him to start opposing them?

[Genivaria]

Clankas, we get the job done.

roger roger

I mean one of the greatest figures of anti-colonial nationalism Mahatma Gandhi was educated as a lawyer in the University of London and served in The Indian Ambulance Corps as well as a stretcher bearer.

This kinda guy should've been help up as an example by the British government to inspire loyalty to the empire but instead they harrassed him at every turn.

But who shot first? Did the British only start harassing Gandhi after he started protesting their rule, or did their harassment inspire him to start opposing them?

He attempted to just start a law firm in India for two years before turning to political activism, idk what happened in between.

[Albennia]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

[Salus Maior]

Reminder that Imperial Federation was perfectly achievable. It was an incredibly powerful popular movement, the Federation of Australia only happened because of Imperial Federation. It was only "elitism and selfishness" that stopped Imperial Federation, as Imperium Romanum Sanctis correctly points out. Joseph Chamberlain made a horrible mistake working with the Conservatives.

I mean one of the greatest figures of anti-colonial nationalism Mahatma Gandhi was educated as a lawyer in the University of London and served in The Indian Ambulance Corps as well as a stretcher bearer.

This kinda guy should've been help up as an example by the British government to inspire loyalty to the empire but instead they harrassed him at every turn.

Ghandi as far as I'm aware was never a fan of the Empire. He was a Nationalist, and nationalists don't typically get along well with Imperial ideas.

And regardless, there's no way Britain could integrate India without India completely eclipsing Britain. You could make an argument about integrating the Anglo colonies into a British federation, but India just wouldn't work.

[Neanderthaland]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

Awful. Next?

[Salus Maior]

Clankas, we get the job done.

roger roger

I mean one of the greatest figures of anti-colonial nationalism Mahatma Gandhi was educated as a lawyer in the University of London and served in The Indian Ambulance Corps as well as a stretcher bearer.

This kinda guy should've been help up as an example by the British government to inspire loyalty to the empire but instead they harrassed him at every turn.

But who shot first? Did the British only start harassing Gandhi after he started protesting their rule, or did their harassment inspire him to start opposing them?

Technically the British had shot first in like the 18th century, by conquering India.

And of course repressing India to maintain control afterwards.

[Hanafuridake]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

He was a great man who was undone by inexperience and personal flaws.

Although that could just be my hatred for the Han talking, tbh.

[Kowani]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

A wonderful example of what not to do.

[The East Marches II]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

He was a pretty good guy. I wish he was still around so we could send people on vacation :^)

[Albennia]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

He was a pretty good guy. I wish he was still around so we could send people on vacation :^)

In one of the more epic Northumbrian moments someone from Newcastle accidentally drifted into Cambodian waters while Mr. Saloth was in charge The local grammar school is a CIA recruitment site now!

[Diopolis]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

He had one good idea. He had about a thousand bad ones. He had a few in-between ideas.
Mostly pretty bad. Especially because he couldn't implement his one good idea without genocide.

[Luminesa]

What do people here think of Pol Pot?

He was a pretty good guy. I wish he was still around so we could send people on vacation :^)

Every link you post is gonna get someone on a watchlist, darn it. If Uncle Sam asks me why I have North Korean vaporwave in my history, I'm blaming you. :^)))