Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Albennia]

To a degree, I think many people are already in those days considering modern secularism has wedged itself into power. Lots of devout Christians are at odds with mainstream culture and are unable to identify with it, separating themselves into a subculture defined by their faith.

Oh, you don't even know how much of a good idea you just gave me

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

[Salus Maior]

Oh, you don't even know how much of a good idea you just gave me

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

Scots-Irish are not Northumbrians. They're from Ulster, largely.

[Bear Stearns]

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

Scots-Irish are not Northumbrians. They're from Ulster, largely.

From Ulster via the English/Scottish border area.

[Bear Stearns]

Oh, you don't even know how much of a good idea you just gave me

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

[Albennia]

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

Oh, the Confederate aristocracy was Norman.

[Bienenhalde]

Go ahead. A good portion of us are bored stuck at home anyways.

There is a common belief taught among the upper ranks in Turkey that America is effectively run by Jews. The easiest way to insure themselves is to keep good relations with Israel especially in regards to defense. This keeps the human rights brigades at bay. Even Mr. Erdogan won't halt defense cooperation. Having a big thonk!

So? We should sanction Turkey and throw them out of NATO anyway because of their persecution of the Kurds and religious minorities. That ought to show them that they can't just expect to get away with stuff just because they try to lick Israel's boot.

[Nakena]

There is a common belief taught among the upper ranks in Turkey that America is effectively run by Jews. The easiest way to insure themselves is to keep good relations with Israel especially in regards to defense. This keeps the human rights brigades at bay. Even Mr. Erdogan won't halt defense cooperation. Having a big thonk!

So? We should sanction Turkey and throw them out of NATO anyway because of their persecution of the Kurds and religious minorities. That ought to show them that they can't just expect to get away with stuff just because they try to lick Israel's boot.

Ah yes exact this kind of moralizing liberalism led to the rise of Erdogan in the first place.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

There is a common belief taught among the upper ranks in Turkey that America is effectively run by Jews. The easiest way to insure themselves is to keep good relations with Israel especially in regards to defense. This keeps the human rights brigades at bay. Even Mr. Erdogan won't halt defense cooperation. Having a big thonk!

So? We should sanction Turkey and throw them out of NATO anyway because of their persecution of the Kurds and religious minorities. That ought to show them that they can't just expect to get away with stuff just because they try to lick Israel's boot.

That would likely just result in them allying with Russia and denying NATO access to the Black Sea.

You can push, but if you shove Turkey too much it will find different friends.

[The East Marches II]

There is a common belief taught among the upper ranks in Turkey that America is effectively run by Jews. The easiest way to insure themselves is to keep good relations with Israel especially in regards to defense. This keeps the human rights brigades at bay. Even Mr. Erdogan won't halt defense cooperation. Having a big thonk!

So? We should sanction Turkey and throw them out of NATO anyway because of their persecution of the Kurds and religious minorities. That ought to show them that they can't just expect to get away with stuff just because they try to lick Israel's boot.

Who cares what the Neocon opinion on things is? It's people like you who did more damage than a Soviet Armygroup with your constant moralizing.

Account for why the practioners of your worldview cost us an Army of a million men with a 1,000 tanks and modern planes. Explain the results.

[Bienenhalde]

I'm, ironically enough, the opposite. A monocultural country (not necessarily ethno-homogeneous) is a lot more coherent than a mono-religious one.

I think your ideal society would be more stable. Culture has a unifying effect.

Even if they eat the same sort of food and speak the same language, having different values and morality could lead to pretty significant divisions.

[Bienenhalde]

So? We should sanction Turkey and throw them out of NATO anyway because of their persecution of the Kurds and religious minorities. That ought to show them that they can't just expect to get away with stuff just because they try to lick Israel's boot.

Ah yes exact this kind of moralizing liberalism led to the rise of Erdogan in the first place.

The rise of Erdogan came about because we emphasized voting rights over other rights. If instead we had supported enlightened autocrats who supported the rights of religious minorities like Christians and more decent treatment of women and LGBT people, the Middle East would have been far better off.

[Salus Maior]

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

...Common where? I've never heard that.

[The East Marches II]

Ah yes exact this kind of moralizing liberalism led to the rise of Erdogan in the first place.

The rise of Erdogan came about because we emphasized voting rights over other rights. If instead we had supported enlightened autocrats who supported the rights of religious minorities like Christians and more decent treatment of women and LGBT people, the Middle East would have been far better off.

If you are willing to sacrifice one of those so called "human rights" you insist on lecturing us about, then why should we take anything you say on that front seriously? Why is the treatment of women or LGBT types relevant to the fighting capacity of an army to assist us in a general war? Explain

[Nakena]

The rise of Erdogan came about because we emphasized voting rights over other rights.

The rise of Erdogan came about because the west emphasized liberal ideas and "islamic democracy" (sic!) which supposedly Erodgan was to be the choosen role model for. What he actually did was using the EU/US to remove the kemalists from power to take an entire new form of power for himself afterwards: Absolute power.

If instead we had supported enlightened autocrats who supported the rights of religious minorities like Christians and more decent treatment of women and LGBT people, the Middle East would have been far better off.

Like, uhm, Saddam Hussein? (sic!)

[Hanafuridake]

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

Scots-Irish are not Northumbrians. They're from Ulster, largely.

They were descended from Protestants in southern Scotland and northern England who were settled in Ulster as a means to combat the influence of Irish Catholics, who they regarded as ethnic and religious enemies. It's inaccurate to call them all Northumbrian, because many of them came from parts of the border that weren't Northumbria, but a serious portion of them were.

[Bienenhalde]

The rise of Erdogan came about because we emphasized voting rights over other rights. If instead we had supported enlightened autocrats who supported the rights of religious minorities like Christians and more decent treatment of women and LGBT people, the Middle East would have been far better off.

If you are willing to sacrifice one of those so called "human rights" you insist on lecturing us about, then why should we take anything you say on that front seriously? Why is the treatment of women or LGBT types relevant to the fighting capacity of an army to assist us in a general war? Explain

I have long been skeptical of democracy and majoritarian rule. I don't think the majority has the right to vote away the rights of minorities just because the majority is stupid and bigoted.

[Hanafuridake]

Tbh Bien, at this point, I think you would be more consistent to support turning Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries into US states.

[The East Marches II]

If you are willing to sacrifice one of those so called "human rights" you insist on lecturing us about, then why should we take anything you say on that front seriously? Why is the treatment of women or LGBT types relevant to the fighting capacity of an army to assist us in a general war? Explain

I have long been skeptical of democracy and majoritarian rule. I don't think the majority has the right to vote away the rights of minorities just because the majority is stupid and bigoted.

Why is your "human rights" relevant to an organization dedicated to fighting coalition warfare in a high intensity general conflict? Explain.

[Hanafuridake]

Okay so—

Is it a coincidence that the Bible Belt was settled by the 'Scotch-Irish' (Northumbrians), who more than a thousand years ago also defined themselves by their Christianity when faced with a semi-foreign, semi-cultural threat? Southron/Northumbrian, Yankee/Norse. Yankees are from the east of England, which was influenced the most by the Norse. (this gets very cool).

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

It was just silly propaganda to claim that the Southerners were a "superior race" to the Union, and like most propaganda, there wasn't any truth to it.

[Bienenhalde]

I have long been skeptical of democracy and majoritarian rule. I don't think the majority has the right to vote away the rights of minorities just because the majority is stupid and bigoted.

Why is your "human rights" relevant to an organization dedicated to fighting coalition warfare in a high intensity general conflict? Explain.

NATO was created to fight communism. If we can't replace communism with something better, what is the point of even having NATO?

[The East Marches II]

Why is your "human rights" relevant to an organization dedicated to fighting coalition warfare in a high intensity general conflict? Explain.

NATO was created to fight communism. If we can't replace communism with something better, what is the point of even having NATO?

To win the outbreak of a general conflict via coalition warfare. A better world and your utopian nonsense wasn't apart of it's mission. We tolerated crypto-fascists, unreformed Nazis and military juntas. But the minute we let your lot influence things it all fell apart. Your ideas are more corrosive to a nation than a military dictatorship running death squads. Perhaps you should ruminate on that.

[Nakena]

Why is your "human rights" relevant to an organization dedicated to fighting coalition warfare in a high intensity general conflict? Explain.

NATO was created to fight communism. If we can't replace communism with something better, what is the point of even having NATO?

To defeat communism and defend western civilization against the bolshevik and later islamic hordes and all that jazz.

Which brings really a lot of different people together united in a common struggle and objective. Unfortunatly the neocons compromised the whole thing when they started to appease the later and tried to inject (neo-)liberalism into the calculation and got very silly ideas such as errecting some ancap wonderland in Mesopotamia and such.

[Bienenhalde]

Tbh Bien, at this point, I think you would be more consistent to support turning Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries into US states.

I am more of an admirer of Britain or Europe or even Japan, but unfortunately those countries don't have as strong militaries as the US, so they aren't necessarily useful for my purposes.

[Albennia]

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

It was just silly propaganda to claim that the Southerners were a "superior race" to the Union, and like most propaganda, there wasn't any truth to it.

Holy fuck the South said they were Normans? Why?

[Salus Maior]

A common theme during the American Civil War was the Confederates were Normans and the Union was Anglo-Saxon. Gives you insight into what they thought of themselves.

It was just silly propaganda to claim that the Southerners were a "superior race" to the Union, and like most propaganda, there wasn't any truth to it.

Oh, you haven't even heard the worst that the Southerners said about the North antebellum.

There was one prominent Southerner back in the day who essentially accused the North of being the real unethical slaveowners, because of how they treated White people in northern factories.