Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Both were pretty based and redpilled tbh. I did admire Salazar's expertise on economics and his fight to save Portugal's colonies from the Socialist UN.

Franco probably did better with what he had, but Salazar is highly admirable.

The only major problem with both of them is the fact they inadvertently set their regimes up to fail after they died.

In the case of Franco, he named as his successor a degenerate monarch who had no real interest in maintaining the Francoist regime.

In the case of Salazar, he was terrible at delegating power and ultimately placed his country in a position where it could not function without him. When he slipped in his bathtub in 1968 and went into a coma, power was left in the hands of people who were both incompetent and inexperienced; and incapable of governing the Portuguese Empire.

[Diopolis]

And that any criticism of their pet projects ist stringen verboten.

Ironically enough, some of the most harshly outspoken people I know against Israel are trad Orthodox Jews.

Who fit in with other Jews about as well, and seem to be liked about as well by them, as hardcore Lefebvrists do with typical Catholic circles.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Well, domestic policy back in ye-olden times kept Jews from entering other professions, so they became bankers. Banks make people rich, rich people can afford greater education, better educated people enter prestigious positions.

yes, I am aware of this basic history...

[Salus Maior]

Well, domestic policy back in ye-olden times kept Jews from entering other professions, so they became bankers. Banks make people rich, rich people can afford greater education, better educated people enter prestigious positions.

yes, I am aware of this basic history...

So then it's not particularly "strange" is it? It's a pretty logical progression.

[Diopolis]

Franco probably did better with what he had, but Salazar is highly admirable.

The only major problem with both of them is the fact they inadvertently set their regimes up to fail after they died.

In the case of Franco, he named as his successor a degenerate monarch who had no real interest in maintaining the Francoist regime.

Franco should have picked Javier-Enrique de Borbon Parma, agreed. But Juan Carlos was a political compromise whose leftist sympathies came as a shock to everyone, including leftists. It wouldn't have been that big a deal if the ETA hadn't killed his intended shogun for the king.

In the case of Salazar, he was terrible at delegating power and ultimately placed his country in a position where it could not function without him. When he slipped in his bathtub in 1968 and went into a coma, power was left in the hands of people who were both incompetent and inexperienced; and incapable of governing the Portuguese Empire.

This is, in fact true. Salazar did not take the drastic action necessary to establish a sustainable governing class.

[Albennia]

Franco should have picked Javier-Enrique de Borbon Parma, agreed. But Juan Carlos was a political compromise whose leftist sympathies came as a shock to everyone, including leftists.

Titoist Spain would've been 'based'

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

The only major problem with both of them is the fact they inadvertently set their regimes up to fail after they died.

In the case of Franco, he named as his successor a degenerate monarch who had no real interest in maintaining the Francoist regime.

Franco should have picked Javier-Enrique de Borbon Parma, agreed. But Juan Carlos was a political compromise whose leftist sympathies came as a shock to everyone, including leftists. It wouldn't have been that big a deal if the ETA hadn't killed his intended shogun for the king.

Honestly, the bigger mistake was giving his successor (no matter who it was) as much power as he did. Spain needed to transition to democracy either way, but continuing a gradual transition under the Francoist regime would have been far better in the long run than trusting some exiled monarch to keep the gears moving.

This is, in fact true. Salazar did not take the drastic action necessary to establish a sustainable governing class.

That, and he very clearly did not establish proper control over the military. The Carnation Revolution would not have happened if the bulk of Portugal's military hadn't gone AWOL and joined the rebels.

[Second Modern Rome]

I mean, it's the shylocracy that enables the whole thing.

Google doesn't even know what that word is, you expect me to?

It's definitely weird that one group of people would have such disproportionate power over medias, banks, academia etc.

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Well, domestic policy back in ye-olden times kept Jews from entering other professions, so they became bankers. Banks make people rich, rich people can afford greater education, better educated people enter prestigious positions.

Although I think it's something of a farce to say that Jews in general are the 1% when plenty of Jews are just every day sort of people that aren't particularly wealthy or affluent. And plenty of Gentiles are the 1%.

I agree with this tbh. Its not their fault entirely, nor do they compose the majority of the establishment.

[LRON]

Lyndon LaRouche, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan... our country has produced so many wise men. We have the advice of figures like Solzhenitsyn. We ignore them all and listen to Harry Dexter White, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and their modern equivalent, AIPAC.

All three of those men are very stupid however. Why do Yanks continuously wish to promote mediocrity?

[Northern Davincia]

Lyndon LaRouche, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan... our country has produced so many wise men. We have the advice of figures like Solzhenitsyn. We ignore them all and listen to Harry Dexter White, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and their modern equivalent, AIPAC.

All three of those men are very stupid however. Why do Yanks continuously wish to promote mediocrity?

Because Europeans always find new lows to delve.

[Diopolis]

Franco should have picked Javier-Enrique de Borbon Parma, agreed. But Juan Carlos was a political compromise whose leftist sympathies came as a shock to everyone, including leftists.

Titoist Spain would've been 'based'

There's a pretty strong case that Carlos Hugo became a communist out of his frustration with the way Franco was treating the Carlist claim. In any event, had he actually been in line for the throne when he became a communist in the late sixties, he would likely have been disinherited... or the montejura incident would have killed him.
Remember, Javier's wishes are difficult to discern, but his wife- the mother of the two boys- wanted Sixto-Enrique as regent until Carlos Hugo renounced titoism.

[The East Marches II]

Would you lads want a bit of blackpill :^)

[Diopolis]

Franco should have picked Javier-Enrique de Borbon Parma, agreed. But Juan Carlos was a political compromise whose leftist sympathies came as a shock to everyone, including leftists. It wouldn't have been that big a deal if the ETA hadn't killed his intended shogun for the king.

Honestly, the bigger mistake was giving his successor (no matter who it was) as much power as he did. Spain needed to transition to democracy either way, but continuing a gradual transition under the Francoist regime would have been far better in the long run than trusting some exiled monarch to keep the gears moving.

This is, in fact true. Salazar did not take the drastic action necessary to establish a sustainable governing class.

That, and he very clearly did not establish proper control over the military. The Carnation Revolution would not have happened if the bulk of Portugal's military hadn't gone AWOL and joined the rebels.

That is probably in part because there was no governing class.

[LRON]

All three of those men are very stupid however. Why do Yanks continuously wish to promote mediocrity?

Because Europeans always find new lows to delve.

Whilst Europe is going through a bit of a rut at least it has actually given the world higher things which Americans cannot claim to boast about. It's just a cheap culture. It's lower than being kitsch for goodness sake.

[Diopolis]

Would you lads want a bit of blackpill :^)

Go ahead. A good portion of us are bored stuck at home anyways.

[Northern Davincia]

Would you lads want a bit of blackpill :^)

Depends if it comes with shades of yellow.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Honestly, the bigger mistake was giving his successor (no matter who it was) as much power as he did. Spain needed to transition to democracy either way, but continuing a gradual transition under the Francoist regime would have been far better in the long run than trusting some exiled monarch to keep the gears moving.



That, and he very clearly did not establish proper control over the military. The Carnation Revolution would not have happened if the bulk of Portugal's military hadn't gone AWOL and joined the rebels.

That is probably in part because there was no governing class.

That's a fair point, but I'd personally chalk it up to insufficient integration with the lower classes more than anything else.

Genuine support and legitimacy for a government comes from the majority of its population, and failure to gain their support tends to result in unstable regimes.

[Salus Maior]

Lyndon LaRouche, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan... our country has produced so many wise men. We have the advice of figures like Solzhenitsyn. We ignore them all and listen to Harry Dexter White, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and their modern equivalent, AIPAC.

All three of those men are very stupid however. Why do Yanks continuously wish to promote mediocrity?

From what I can see in Europe, decent leadership seems to be in something of a drought everywhere these days.

The age of great statesmen and monarchs seems to have well passed. It's mob rule and partisan politics all the way for us, broseph.

[Salus Maior]

King Felipe VI of Spain has the finest facial hair of all heads of state in the current day, change my mind.

[Hanafuridake]

Anyone care to share their xenophilial tendancies?

I've been delving into Song dynasty China because of my fondness for Song Neo-Confucianism. I'd like to buy some clothes based on the period to larp as a Confucian bureaucrat.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

yes, I am aware of this basic history...

So then it's not particularly "strange" is it? It's a pretty logical progression.

Probably because he thinks there is a conspiracy going on.

[Salus Maior]

Anyone care to share their xenophilial tendancies?

My ideal society would be a multicultural/racial one with a shared religion to maintain coherence and brotherhood.

[Hanafuridake]

Anyone care to share their xenophilial tendancies?

My ideal society would be a multicultural one with a shared religion.

Don't really see the appeal.

[The East Marches II]

Would you lads want a bit of blackpill :^)

Go ahead. A good portion of us are bored stuck at home anyways.

There is a common belief taught among the upper ranks in Turkey that America is effectively run by Jews. The easiest way to insure themselves is to keep good relations with Israel especially in regards to defense. This keeps the human rights brigades at bay. Even Mr. Erdogan won't halt defense cooperation. Having a big thonk!

[North German Realm]

Anyone care to share their xenophilial tendancies?

My ideal society would be a multicultural/racial one with a shared religion to maintain coherence and brotherhood.

I'm, ironically enough, the opposite. A monocultural country (not necessarily ethno-homogeneous) is a lot more coherent than a mono-religious one.