Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Genivaria]

You understand that adultery was viewed as an actual crime right?

Massive LOL if you think that was ever enforced. It wasn't. Adultery was socially acceptable and done by most of the elites.

That's kinda true universally.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Right, look, adultery always happens. The purpose of provisions against it is to provide security to people, not to prevent it outright.

[Fahran]

Massive LOL if you think that was ever enforced. It wasn't. Adultery was socially acceptable and done by most of the elites.

That's kinda true universally.

Well, no. Adultery and infidelity actually weren't socially acceptable. People who believe the Romans approved of sexual impropriety or hedonism on the whole seem to take the excesses that occurred under Caligula and Nero, and that scandalized Roman society to the point that both of those men were killed, as synonymous with Roman sexual conventions. They weren't. Even Caesar got mocked because he was seen as sexually unconventional - both by his political opponents and, more playfully, by his troops.

[Albennia]

Augustus literally turned into the meme-worthy Thot Police and exiled his own daughter for being promiscuous.

And he failed.

One of his principal criticisms of Marcus Antonius was that he was committing adultery with Cleopatra and disregarding his wholesome tradwife Octavia, Augustus's sister.

Oh using adultery as a weapon against your political opponents was nothing new for them. And Octavia had already been married so Mark partially gets a pass there.

That doesn't mean it isn't frowned upon and doesn't have consequences.

And in the vast, vast majority of instances it never had consequences. And if nearly all the elites are doing it, you wonder just how frowned upon it can be by them.

[Albennia]

Right, look, adultery always happens. The purpose of provisions against it is to provide security to people, not to prevent it outright.

Preventing it outright and getting rid of the bullshit about 'oh, well, you see actually both people can be to blame it's not so morally clear' so commonly spewed in society is either the ultimate objective or provisions against it are ultimately meaningless. The day it is seen as no better than going up to a stranger on the street and stabbing them to death will be the day I am satisfied.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Right, look, adultery always happens. The purpose of provisions against it is to provide security to people, not to prevent it outright.

Preventing it outright and getting rid of the bullshit about 'oh, well, you see actually both people can be to blame it's not so morally clear' so commonly spewed in society is either the ultimate objective or provisions against it are ultimately meaningless. The day it is seen as no better than going up to a stranger on the street and stabbing them to death will be the day I am satisfied.

Er, that's probably not going to happen for a lot of reasons, but I agree that it should be tightly controlled.

[Novus America]

Interesting legal trivia. Adultery is illegal in Maryland still, but the maximum punishment is a $10 fine.

So during a divorce proceeding if you are asked if every committed adultery you can plead the Fifth.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

[Novus America]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

Eh. I think that is a bit much, but I do think you should be able to sue your cheating spouse and their partner. Also a cheating spouse should get zero alimony, and always treated as the at fault party in a divorce.

[Fahran]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

Doesn't France still have that as an extenuating circumstance for murder?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

Doesn't France still have that as an extenuating circumstance for murder?

They're quite an adulterous people, so maybe...

[Novus America]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

Doesn't France still have that as an extenuating circumstance for murder?

Some places in the US sort of do, in certain cases although it only really applies if you catch them in the act, and you still go to jail, but for less time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_manslaughter

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

Eh. I think that is a bit much, but I do think you should be able to sue your cheating spouse and their partner. Also a cheating spouse should get zero alimony, and always treated as the at fault party in a divorce.

Public shaming would help.

Bring back tar-and-feathering, put the guilty parties in a pillory for a few days and sell rotten tomatoes to passersby.

Could even turn it into a public fundraising event. $1.00 per tomato, make your shots count!

[Novus America]

Eh. I think that is a bit much, but I do think you should be able to sue your cheating spouse and their partner. Also a cheating spouse should get zero alimony, and always treated as the at fault party in a divorce.

Public shaming would help.

Bring back tar-and-feathering, put the guilty parties in a pillory for a few days and sell rotten tomatoes to passersby.

Could even turn it into a public fundraising event. $1.00 per tomato, make your shots count!

Actually public shaming in general is not a bad idea for many quality of life crimes.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Stocks and pillories are unironically one of the punishments taht should replace prison.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

Public shaming would help.

Bring back tar-and-feathering, put the guilty parties in a pillory for a few days and sell rotten tomatoes to passersby.

Could even turn it into a public fundraising event. $1.00 per tomato, make your shots count!

Actually public shaming in general is not a bad idea for many quality of life crimes.

State-endorsed peer pressure is an excellent means to discourage bad social behaviours.

Stocks and pillories are unironically one of the punishments taht should replace prison.

I agree completely.

Prisons are both cruel and inhumane, and a massive waste of financial resources.

They're the pinnacle of an indecisive justice system that would rather have men waste away in decrepitude than receive just punishment.

[Novus America]

Stocks and pillories are unironically one of the punishments taht should replace prison.

That and public whipping posts have potential. Actually Delaware allowed punishment by whipping post up until 1972.

That (plus community service and such) probably has a better effect than short jail sentences for lesser quality of life crimes like graffiti, shitting in the streets, shop lifting and such.

Bring this back maybe:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory ... hipped.jpg

After a fair trial and conviction with due process.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

yes, based hour

[Novus America]

“In United States v. Gementera, (2004) the defendant was convicted of mail theft and sentenced, among other measures, to stand in front of a post office for eight hours wearing a sandwich board that read: "I stole mail. This is my punishment."[11] The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld this sentence, finding that the district court did not impose it solely for the purpose of humiliation, but also to serve the criminal-justice goals of deterrence and rehabilitation.[11] The Ninth Circuit further found that the alternative sentence did not violate the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment because it was "within the limits of civilized standards" and was not coupled with a lengthy prison sentence.[11]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks

So there is not even any legal rules against stocks an things like it are still occasionally used, we just need to maybe do it more often.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

“In United States v. Gementera, (2004) the defendant was convicted of mail theft and sentenced, among other measures, to stand in front of a post office for eight hours wearing a sandwich board that read: "I stole mail. This is my punishment."[11] The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld this sentence, finding that the district court did not impose it solely for the purpose of humiliation, but also to serve the criminal-justice goals of deterrence and rehabilitation.[11] The Ninth Circuit further found that the alternative sentence did not violate the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment because it was "within the limits of civilized standards" and was not coupled with a lengthy prison sentence.[11]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks

So there is not even any legal rules against stocks an things like it are still occasionally used, we just need to maybe do it more often.

Gee, that gives me an idea...

Step #1: Start a pillory manufacturing company
Step #2: Stockpile a bunch of pillories
Step #3: Start a pillory advocacy/prison abolition group
Step #4: Strongarm the government into passing legislation to abolish prisons and replace them with pillories/other restorative justice programs
Step #5: Corner the pillory market
Step #6: ???
Step #7: Profit

[Bienenhalde]

Yes, I don't know how someone could want to be in a polygamous relationship. Either a man or a woman. A polygynous relationship reduces the social power value of the women in the relationship and maximizes that of the man, and a polyandrous relationship does the opposite.

hot take: people in polyamorous relationships have some kind of underlying mental disorder that causes them to crave instability and lower marital satisfaction, especially in the western world where one-on-one relationships are the complete and utter norm and there's no reason not to have them.

What if someone is desperate and believes that nobody would want to be in a monogamous relationship with them?

[Bienenhalde]

It’s been real folks. See you when the Chinese get good at the international Slave market like their Qatari competitors.

Well, I know you thought Farn acted unfairly in warning you, but was it really necessary to be so rude? You were only shooting yourself in the foot anyway.

[The Snazzylands]

Here is how you could fix adultery, very simply.

You could create a law providing a defence to murder if you kill a person who was having an affair with your wife.

It would have to have an objective test, and it would have to be something you'd have to prove very well, but it should be law.

That's already a thing. Does "honor killing" ring a bell?

[Rostavykhan]

ITT: Let's do what The Middle East does, but with less Islam.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't think adultery should be punishable by death, but it should be punishable by corporal punishment, along with crimes like drug dealing. It's worse than many of the crimes we put people in prison for.