Right Wing Discussion Thread XIX

[Benuty]

Orwell even references this in Nineteen Eighty-Four knowing that once the outer party members purge the inner party, and move up the ranks they pretty much become the thing they swore to despise ensuring the continued dystopic nature of airstrip one.

[Mount Macedon]

How many people in Russia were self professed "communists" or "Leninists" in say 1900?

Well Russia did have substantial communist parties then, although state suppression meant a lot was underground.

But it would not be right to say Russia in 1900 was Communist either.

Exactly. Politics are subject to social conditions. When those social conditions change, politics changes.

[Novus America]

Obviously you know absolutely nothing about the US

Oh, believe me, I wish that was true

Well your wish was obviously granted.

[Novus America]

Well Russia did have substantial communist parties then, although state suppression meant a lot was underground.

But it would not be right to say Russia in 1900 was Communist either.

Exactly. Politics are subject to social conditions. When those social conditions change, politics changes.

Yes. But again the original claim was that the US is Communist now.
Which is still silly.

Are you trying to set a land speed record with the goal posts?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I don't want to be associated with goalpost changing, US is a communist country, I stand by my statement.

[Fahran]

Go and pull a $10 out of your wallet and see who is on the back.

Is it:
A. Some lame ass building
B. Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

The removal of the colonial administration for repeated violations of understood laws and customs hardly constitutes a social revolution unless we're resorting to a Jacobite conception of the sovereign, in which case George III was illegitimate anyhow. I expect you to disavow Dutch Billy.

[Mount Macedon]

Exactly. Politics are subject to social conditions. When those social conditions change, politics changes.

Yes. But again the original claim was that the US is Communist now.
Which is still silly.

Are you trying to set a land speed record with the goal posts?

How am I moving goal posts if I did not plant them in the ground in the first place?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Go and pull a $10 out of your wallet and see who is on the back.

Is it:
A. Some lame ass building
B. Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

The removal of the colonial administration for repeated violations of understood laws and customs hardly constitutes a social revolution unless we're resorting to a Jacobite conception of the sovereign, in which case George III was illegitimate anyhow. I expect you to disavow Dutch Billy.

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

[Fahran]

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

I feel personally attacked

[Mount Macedon]

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

In truth the left no longer exists.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

In truth the left no longer exists.

The left is everything

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

maybe We Wuz Wrong about Jacobites but the main thang is that Jacobites were Rome Country Loyalists so we had to get rid of that kind of thing. The Stuarts were dangerously Rome Country Loyalism infected. It was a justified gamble.

[Mount Macedon]

In truth the left no longer exists.

The left is everything

Then it is also nothing.

[Fahran]

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

maybe We Wuz Wrong about Jacobites but the main thang is that Jacobites were Rome Country Loyalists so we had to get rid of that kind of thing. The Stuarts were dangerously Rome Country Loyalism infected. It was a justified gamble.

Sounds like dangerously Leninist talk, anon.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

maybe We Wuz Wrong about Jacobites but the main thang is that Jacobites were Rome Country Loyalists so we had to get rid of that kind of thing. The Stuarts were dangerously Rome Country Loyalism infected. It was a justified gamble.

Sounds like dangerously Leninist talk, anon.

you're going further away, you were warmer for a little bit but now you are cold.

[Northern Davincia]

Mmmmmm

Nice Leninist agitprop, but it won't work on me. I'm immune.

You're only immune because you're a crypto-Bolshevik, anon.

Anyone who isn't a professed Jacobite is indisputably a leftist.

This is true, for who'll be king but Charlie?

[Novus America]

Yes. But again the original claim was that the US is Communist now.
Which is still silly.

Are you trying to set a land speed record with the goal posts?

How am I moving goal posts if I did not plant them in the ground in the first place?

You can still move something you did not plant...

Point is simple, person said US is Communist. I said it was not.
What you are saying is an entirely different conversation.

[Fahran]

Interesting question. From a right-wing perspective, what are the moral obligations of the person and the state?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Interesting question. From a right-wing perspective, what are the moral obligations of the person and the state?

Based on Confucian ethics, the two have reciprocal obligations. The state to care for its citizens' welfare, and the citizen to respect and obey the state.

[Joohan]

What group do you guys blame the most for the fall of Rome? Me personally, I'd say women. JUST behind them is the praetorian guard, then the senate, then the legions themselves.

[Joohan]

Interesting question. From a right-wing perspective, what are the moral obligations of the person and the state?

Based on Confucian ethics, the two have reciprocal obligations. The state to care for its citizens' welfare, and the citizen to respect and obey the state.

^this

[United Muscovite Nations]

What group do you guys blame the most for the fall of Rome? Me personally, I'd say women. JUST behind them is the praetorian guard, then the senate, then the legions themselves.

The Roman army for undermining the leadership of the Roman government at every moment of crisis for 450 years.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What group do you guys blame the most for the fall of Rome? Me personally, I'd say women. JUST behind them is the praetorian guard, then the senate, then the legions themselves.

It can't really be mainly blamed on any one group imo. Political scheming, religious unrest, mass migration from groups fleeing the Huns/climate change, poor economic development etc etc all played a hand in the death of the western empire.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What group do you guys blame the most for the fall of Rome? Me personally, I'd say women. JUST behind them is the praetorian guard, then the senate, then the legions themselves.

It can't really be mainly blamed on any one group imo. Political scheming, religious unrest, mass migration from groups fleeing the Huns/climate change, poor economic development etc etc all played a hand in the death of the western empire.

This too.